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Rust Converter Residue

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john_bud

02-06-2005 19:58:36




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Hi,

I have a dumb question. I am in the process of restoring a 1963 Ford 4140 HD Industrial. It is completely apart and each piece is being stripped to bare metal and painted. I am just starting to experiment with the water based phosphoric acid solutions to convert residual rust and leave a protective surface. In the past I have used the bare metal prep solutions that are weak phophoric acid and alcohol.

Here's the question. The water based stuff leaves a white residue. How crazy do I get in removing it prior to priming? The instructions just say to squirt and let dry prior to painting and I don't like the look of any residue. But I don't want to scrub the parts in water again and get flash rust on the surface!

Thanks!
John Bud

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CNKS

02-07-2005 06:53:02




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 Re: Rust Converter Residue in reply to john_bud, 02-06-2005 19:58:36  
I remmove as much as I can using a scotchbrite (type) pad, then go over it with wax and grease remover. I don't like painting over any kind of residue, either. It is not necessary to use water, the only time water is used is the metal prep products that you mentioned. IMO, those are outdated.



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john_bud

02-07-2005 13:40:07




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 Re: Rust Converter Residue in reply to CNKS, 02-07-2005 06:53:02  
CNKS,

What metal prep products do you like to use? Can you outline why you like them? I don't do this real often, but would like to make it as good as possible and learning from people with experience is great!

Thanks,
jb



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john_bud

02-07-2005 13:35:05




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 Re: Rust Converter Residue in reply to CNKS, 02-07-2005 06:53:02  
CNKS,

What metal prep products do you like to use? Can you outline why you like them? I don't do this real often, but would like to make it as good as possible and learning from people with experience is great!

Thanks,
jb



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CNKS

02-07-2005 14:40:58




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 Re: Rust Converter Residue in reply to john_bud, 02-07-2005 13:35:05  
I use Picklex 20, or an equivalent. I use it as a rust preventative. It will protect the metal for months, as long as it is dry. It will not repel water, and should not be washed off. I do not use rust converters, as I like to remove all rust first, either by sandblasting or a wire brush on an angle grinder, etc. Others have different opinions, I have no argument. In other words, I use them to prevent rust until painting. One exception, the preventatives I use will also take care of flash rust, or rust deep in the pores of cast that is next to impossible to remove. But, I do not use them over heavy rust, not saying that you can't do that, I prefer not to. --Use an epoxy primer over it, not an etch primer, as you may wind up with too much acid. There is another product called "Must for Rust" sold by Home Depot, that I am currently using. It appears to work like Picklex, but I have not had much experience with it. Of course anyone reading this post is more than welcome to give their opinions.

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Stan Mi

02-07-2005 18:15:54




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 Re: Rust Converter Residue in reply to CNKS, 02-07-2005 14:40:58  
CNKS

I found your "Must For Rust" at Home Depot. Sprayed on, wiped in with a scuff pad and wiped off excess. I did get a little of the white cast in spots after it dried.

For primer I"d like to use PPG Omni with no hardeners. Can I spray MP181 over the "MFR" ?

Also are you familiar with "KONDAR" products from PPG. If so could I use these also ?<
p>Thanks in advance for any Help.

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CNKS

02-07-2005 19:17:37




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 Re: Rust Converter Residue in reply to Stan Mi, 02-07-2005 18:15:54  
I am going to use Omni MP 170 epoxy primer, unless I switch to DuPont Nason. So I am going to say you can, bear in mind that prior to this I have only used Picklex, but I don't expect problems. The catalyst for MP 170 does NOT contain iso's, I am positive about that, otherwise I would be dead. 170 will be MUCH better than 181, that is the only primer you will need on the cast part. On the sheet metal, you can use 181 over the 170. Kondar is not compatible with Omni. See the link -- it has most PPG products including all the Omni ones. Print out the ones you want and bookmark the site for future reference.

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Stan MI

02-08-2005 04:51:55




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 Re: Rust Converter Residue in reply to CNKS, 02-07-2005 19:17:37  
CNKS

MP170 call for a gun set up with a 1.3 - 1.5 tip.

MP181 calls for 1.6 - 1.8.

I have a 1.4, I'm ok with MP170 can I just put on extra coats of MP181 or is this a stupid thought ?



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CNKS

02-08-2005 05:36:35




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 Re: Rust Converter Residue in reply to Stan MI, 02-08-2005 04:51:55  
My primer gun has a 1.5, previously it had a 1.8, the 1.8 was more like a fire hose. I use the 2 part 182 and dilute it 5% with reducer, have not had any problems, although that is most definitely not on the spec sheet. It's probably best if you get a 1.6 tip, not saying a 1.4 won't work. I have a Sharpe Platinum and a Sharpe Cobalt, the Cobalt is the primer gun. I have found Sharpes recommendations to be rather conservative. A 1.4 will "probably" be ok, but I have not tried it. Try it and see -- just remember if you only use one gun, be sure you get all the old primer out, particularly the epoxy, or you may regret it later when you do the topcoat. Just as you cannot ever have too many tools, you can't have too many spray guns either, particualrly if you intend to do more than one tractor.

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