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Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision

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Farmall Frank

02-08-2005 05:18:56




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I was all ready to hire an "expert" to sandblast my Farmall 400, then re-read all the archive information here, and started getting cold feet about sandblasting. This business says they spend the better part of a day preping the tractor for the sandblast, caulking/taping/etc. all the critical areas to prevent sand entrance. He assures me that he knows what he is doing, and has done it many times --- in fact, he"s done the same thing to his own collection.

Right now, I am shying away from the easy way and will probably start doing the pressure wash, oven cleaner, wire brushing, etc.

Any comments? Am I doing the smart thing?

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EX-pro

02-08-2005 22:44:28




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to Farmall Frank, 02-08-2005 05:18:56  
Aircraft stripper is my preferred way to go to bare metal.



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CNKS

02-09-2005 17:16:10




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to EX-pro, 02-08-2005 22:44:28  
Stripper is fine, but it does not etch the metal, or remove rust that is likley under the paint -- In other words, stripper does not prepare the metal for paint.



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Charles Park

02-09-2005 13:48:24




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to EX-pro, 02-08-2005 22:44:28  
Where do you get aircraft stripper?



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dr.sportster

02-09-2005 16:08:37




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to Charles Park, 02-09-2005 13:48:24  
Im pretty sure any auto body supply has aircraft stripper since the products are not really sold to the general public,even though they will still sell it to you.



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Farmall Frank

02-09-2005 03:57:17




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to EX-pro, 02-08-2005 22:44:28  
Where could I get aircraft stripper?



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CNKS

02-09-2005 17:19:24




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to Farmall Frank, 02-09-2005 03:57:17  
Any paint stripper will work, even that sold at Walmart -- Most strippers will take more than one application anyway. Most contain methylene chloride, not good to breathe or get on your skin. Best done outside with a mask.



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Richard H.

02-08-2005 11:37:28




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to Farmall Frank, 02-08-2005 05:18:56  
I think it is the final product your looking for. You know..if you just wanta clean it and shoot it with paint, take the easy way out and have it blasted. The way I prefer is to take the hard to do parts off and blast them seperatly. such as wheels axles etc. If your not gonna take the motor apart I would not blast it! As far as the tin goes , most of that rust is underneath I do my own blasting and believe me it gets into anything. Bad gasgets and such that they cant see.

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dr.sportster

02-08-2005 08:48:43




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to Farmall Frank, 02-08-2005 05:18:56  
Frank,I cant believe that people, even professional restorers, sandblast anything without total disassembly of the parts involved.Shooting pressurized sand at anything with a nook and crannie its going to get in there.An example of this is; there was a guy with a frame off restored 57 T-bird. Beautiful looking car that had sand occosionaly drop out from somewhere under the dashboard onto the passengers lap.I would not blast anything unless I could get at all sides of that part.Heat from blasting can warp sheetmetal parts.Sand blasting is a great stripping method but not for asembled parts.I say if you have to caulk and tape you will have sand somewhere you dont want it to get.Just my opinion[but from experience].

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CNKS

02-08-2005 05:27:50




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to Farmall Frank, 02-08-2005 05:18:56  
My opinion is that most people who criticize sandblasting have not done much themselves, or have done it wrong, that includes me. I have recently set myself up to do limited sandblasting, proper compressor, etc, perhaps not the whole tractor, and many parts to be blasted will be removed first. If the guy has done many tractors before, and is indeed a pro, let him do it.



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tommyw

02-08-2005 10:56:18




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to CNKS, 02-08-2005 05:27:50  
i too have done many tractors before ,i also do my own antique tractors ,i have never had a problem ,and did sandblasting and painting full time for years.



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john_bud

02-08-2005 20:02:16




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 Re: Sandblasting or Elbow Grease - Final Decision in reply to tommyw, 02-08-2005 10:56:18  
Well,

I am not a pro by any means, but I do have a 100 pound pressurized sandblaster that I use a fair amount. Today, it went thru 300# of sand. But, I only use it on parts and not assemblies. It does a great job on parts, getting the paint off quickly, the surface rust from under the paint goes off next then the real rust goes last and uses a lot of sand and air. If you don't remove the caked on grease and goo the blasting will go much slower and won't do as good a job. So, in my opinion, you have to pressure wash the tractor first anyway.

The tractor that I am doing now, 1963 Ford 4140 HD Industrial, was blasted at some point in the past. How do I know? There was fine sandblast grit under the shifter boot and in the grease. That is what you want to avoid! From the look of some of the other "repairs", my guess is that they weren't pro's at blasting!

Around here, they charge $60 per hour plus sand used. If they are going to spend most of a day in prep, you are looking at $2-300 for that alone. Then about the same for the blasting and return to pre-prep condition. If they do a good job and don't get sand where you don't want it, it's probably a good deal. On the other hand, personally taking off the parts gets you real intimate with them and their condition. You can also repair/replace worn parts at that time.

Either way, good luck!

jb

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