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Russ Crawford

04-27-2005 16:11:08




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I am restoring a John Deere LA (my first attempt at body work and painting). I have had the sheet metal sand blasted and filled the rust pits with 3M flowable finishing putty. To keep it from rusting I sprayed SEM self etching primer on the entire surface from a rattle can. I would like to use a filler primer next but I am not sure what to use. Also I dont know what paint to use. I am not a purist I just want the tractor to look nice when I am done. I have only done the hood and grill so far so if I need to do something else on the fenders they are still in the sandblasted condition. Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. My local paint stores aren't much help or I am too dumb to understand what they are telling me. Thanks Russ

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Rod (NH)

04-28-2005 10:32:02




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 Re: Metal prep and painting in reply to Russ Crawford, 04-27-2005 16:11:08  
Hi Russ,

Charles is right. You're not too dumb. Once one gets into the world of automotive paints, it's a nightmare to be able to negotiate the maze. Even the experts are not completely aware of all products and sometimes don't agree on the ones they are aware of. There are so many different manufacturers, different lines of products, different chemistries, some of which are not compatible with each other, plus safety issues that it becomes almost impossible for a beginner to decide on anything. Futhermore, it is always in the best interest of the salesmen to push their own products rather than a competitor's. It is likely that what gets recommended is what is "most popular" with the local autobody shops, which is not necessarily in the best interest of the backyard guy wanting to paint his tractor. In addition, legitimate safety concerns are likely to be minimized if they are addressed at all at the salesmen's counters. So don't feel bad - you are definitely not alone.

One thing I recommend is for you to reconsider putting any kind of etch primer on top of a plastic body filler, if that's what you're doing, especially for future work. I don't believe that is generally recommended because of the acid in the etch product. In my way of thinking any kind of "etch" product should be applied to bare metal only. However, check the SEM label instructions to see if that is addressed at all.

In my opinion, for you to select a surfacer (filler primer) or a topcoat you will need to decide on a major fork in the decision road. That deals with safety concerning chemicals called isocyanates and the use of hardeners that contain them. Safely dealing with isocyanates requires a positive pressure, fresh air respirator. These cost $400 - $600 at the low end of available equipment. If you have or wish to purchase or can borrow such equipment, the recommend products go in one direction - to the urethanes requiring hardener additives. Otherwise, the recommendations are in a totally different direction - to the enamels and lacquer-based products that do not require such additives. Or to the "tractor enamels" and hardware store enamels like Rustoleum, etc. Marlinm51 just down below is also dealing with the same issue. See my post to him today just before this one concerning my suggestion on some DuPont products that can be used w/o fresh air equipment. I can also recommend similar non-iso PPG products if you want to investigate the matter further. The urethane type products are more modern and are "better" for the most part. But they are not worth risking your health over by using improper safety equipment. Others will disagree but the final decision on that has to be yours. Just read all the fine print on any additive labels and check out the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) on any additives for the recommended safety equipment prior to your decision.

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greenbeanman in Kansas

04-29-2005 12:34:17




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 Re: Metal prep and painting in reply to Rod (NH), 04-28-2005 10:32:02  
Thanks Rod for taking the time and effort to make that post. It is just what folk like me need to know as starting points.

I have sprayed acrylic enamels, lacquers, and isocyanates. The latter is nearly bullet proof against runs if a gun is set right. (In a class with a professional teacher.)

I am getting ready to paint my old 1949 Chevrolet one ton truck. I figure that paint will show me all of the blemishes, dents, and dings that I have missed, so figure on repainting in a few years anyway. Because of that and that I may want to switch colors, I really think that I will just go with Rustoleum paint from the hardware store. This old 1949 is a beater/driver and not a show vehicle, so this will save on cost too as well as not having to worry about health issues as much.

I know a lot of fellows would say not to do it unless you do it right, but there is also fun in doing it more often.

Again, thanks for the info.

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Charles Park

04-28-2005 06:37:26




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 Re: Metal prep and painting in reply to Russ Crawford, 04-27-2005 16:11:08  
Look at a post on this site from yesterday. Rod had a long message and pictures. This will help you quite a bit.

You are not too dumb to understand! Get on this site and search the archives and you will be real smart real soon.

Also some books on painting out there.



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