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Do you use hardener in your paint?

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Tom

10-13-2001 16:26:00




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Do yall use hardener in your tractor paint that you buy from the dealer? I have never used it and was wondering if I should. What are the advantages of it ? Is it expensive? Any commrnts would be appreciated. Thanks Tom




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Steven

10-15-2001 19:17:49




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 Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to Tom, 10-13-2001 16:26:00  
Use of a hardener generally makes the paint shine more in my experience. I believe it also keeps the paint from fading. And it makes it VERY resistant to chipping and scratching AFTER it has dried sufficiently. I personally only use PPG paint because I like the way it works in our gun and I like the results. I use their acrylic laquer paint and epoxy primer. And I always use hardener. We have painted 1 pickup, 2 trucks and 2 tractors so far with it and they look great! The truck was painted red, which has a habit of fading fast, and it has sat outside for about 5 years now and it looks like we painted it yesterday.

Sorry for rambling, but in my opinion the expense of quality paint and hardener is worth it.

Steven

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Cliff Neubauer

10-14-2001 11:10:58




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 Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to Tom, 10-13-2001 16:26:00  
Most enamel paints dry by evaporating the solvents out over time but the hardner creates a chemical reaction in the paint to make it harder sooner. If you have the proper breathing protection using hardners is one of the best things you can do to improve a paint job. I use off brand hardners that cost $18-$25 for a gallon of paint. When I buy my hardner I also buy automotive reducers because they vary depending on the temperature which can help prevent runs or orange peel. To my knowage all of the modern automotive paints require a hardner with the exception of base coats.

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Ed

10-14-2001 06:20:33




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 Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to Tom, 10-13-2001 16:26:00  
WARNING! Read labels on hardeners VERY carefully. Most (if not all) contain isocyanite polymers and can be lethal if not used properly. Most recommend a fresh air system when using them.



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big fred

10-14-2001 12:56:34




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 Re: Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to Ed, 10-14-2001 06:20:33  
Another important safety tool is the MSDS, or material safety data sheet. It will list the hazards and give you information to protect yourself. It is also a great help to emergency personnel if someone should come into contact with the product. Your paint supplier is required by law to make the MSDS available to you. If he won't supply the MSDS, buy your paint elsewhere.

BTW, I was looking at the MSDS for Van Sickle tractor and equipment enamel and it does not appear to have isocyanates.

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Cliff Neubauer

10-14-2001 16:32:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to big fred, 10-14-2001 12:56:34  
I don't know of any paints that contain iso's, generally they are in the hardners.



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big fred - oops!

10-14-2001 17:10:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 10-14-2001 16:32:12  
I meant to say I looked at the MSDS for the Van Sickle tractor enamel hardener and it didn't contain isocyanates. They have their MSDS on-line at their web page, www.vansicklepaint.com



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Craig N,Y,

10-13-2001 20:57:42




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 Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to Tom, 10-13-2001 16:26:00  
I recently finished painting my 640 FORD TRACTOR , I sand blasted and primed everything that was to be painted. I painted the red color on the tractor first without using hardener.I had to wait about 5 (very warm ) days until I could cover up the red with plastic and install the hood etc. to get painted. I didnt know about the hardener for enamal paint till I called a NAPA store.IT only cost about $30.00 for a pint. Its good for a whole gallon of paint,What a big difference it made .The paint has a great shine it flows out of the gun better and dries 10 time faster and has a harder finish.I guess $30.00 sounds like a lot of money seeing the enamal paint is so cheap but its worth every penny.I woudnt paint with out it again. Craig N.Y.

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Eric

11-29-2001 03:43:41




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 Re: Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to Craig N,Y,, 10-13-2001 20:57:42  
$30 for a pint of hardener is a bit much. Ours is 1/2 the price. Check out our web site. There's no pricing up yet since the site is only functional for a week, Request the literature and you'll get a catalog, 6 page price list and a color card with 100 chips



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Redtractorman

10-13-2001 16:36:53




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 Re: Do you use hardener in your paint? in reply to Tom, 10-13-2001 16:26:00  
Yes I use hardener,it makes the finish harder and dries faster,keeps the paint from fading,is kind of expensive but will go a long ways,take your paint to auto parts store and they can give you the hardener for that paint.



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