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Complete updates PPG product list anywhere??

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scott#2

07-11-2005 13:49:31




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Is there an up to date list of PPG Products available anywhere?

I was looking at the sheet on MP170 and it says to use mx190 cleaner. Cant find that part# anywhere on their website and that tds sheet is dated 2000. I guess thats the old product and was replaced by PPG DX330?

Sure would be nice to find a current/up to date list of their products somewhere.

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CNKS

07-11-2005 17:34:25




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to scott#2, 07-11-2005 13:49:31  
I have seen those sheets, but as you say they seem to be gone -- perhaps the number has changed. I never used it, but use DX 330 instead. It's good stuff, never had a problem with it. If you are using it immediately before painting, be sure to wipe it all off before it dries. And, it is really not intended for use between products -- that is if you use 170, then a surfacer, or topcoat. I have used it that way, then you MUST remove all of it before it dries, or the residue, etc may show thru the topcoat, so I have been told; I have not had that problem, but am very careful if I use it over new primer. It can dissolve new paint. Wear gloves and a charcoal mask when using it. It affects the nervous system.

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Jason(ma)

07-11-2005 15:14:42




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to scott#2, 07-11-2005 13:49:31  
is this what your looking for???



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scott#2

07-11-2005 16:11:20




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to Jason(ma), 07-11-2005 15:14:42  
Actually thats the page I have problems with. Its out of date.

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Rod (NH)

07-11-2005 17:47:06




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to scott#2, 07-11-2005 16:11:20  
I guess you'll have to complain to PPG. I doubt you'll find anything more up-to-date for PPG products than PPG's own website. As far as the MX190 cleaner, there probably is no tech sheet for it - period. The MX190 is a cleaner in the OMNI line of products. The DX330, for which there is a tech sheet, is in PPG's mainstream line of products. It doesn't replace MX190 but can be used instead of it. I use the DX330 (even with the MP170) simply because I have a lot of it left over from years ago. I would guess the MX190 is less expensive though. If you want some good generic instructions on how to use a surface cleaner product, see here.

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scott#2

07-12-2005 14:30:24




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to Rod (NH), 07-11-2005 17:47:06  
Thanks for the link Rod. Now I know how to properly use a cleaning agent.

I guess companies just dont have enough time to keep their product line td sheets updated. I guess it probably isnt worth it anyway, considering how many new products roll out in place of others and so many are either discontinued or re-numbered. No problem for those in the know but for the rank beginner like me, I guess I really have to trust the counter people to give me the right stuff.

Some of them dont know what their products are. For instance, when I was hunting down a PPG spreadable filler, one PPG guy gave me a number and when I went to order it another guy at a different location said, ok 1 qt. of sprayable filler.

Hence, you really have to pay attention and ask alot of questions as a beginner.

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Rod (NH)

07-12-2005 19:37:08




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to scott#2, 07-12-2005 14:30:24  
I think most companies do a pretty good job of keeping their technical data up-to-date. If you browse the link from Jason above, you'll see that most of the PPG tech sheets (P-Sheets, if you will) are fairly current and most span the last few years. I seriously doubt there ever was a P-Sheet for the OMNI MX190 cleaner to begin with.

Where I have found sheets that are out-of-date is from sites other than the manufacturer. I used to link to Tri-City Paint for the tech sheets for PPG because I thought it was easier to get to the right sheet quickly at that site. I found out I was wrong to do that. For instance you can't even get the sheet for MP170 epoxy primer there. It has been in a "temp. unavail" status for a couple of years now at that site. Not so when you go directly to the PPG site. I've noticed that Tri-City links to PPG for the sheets - but - they are linked in such a way as to not always get the latest version. For instance with OMNI MP176 etch primer, the sheet you get linked to from Tri-City Paint is dated 6/2000 while the one you get directly from PPG is dated 1/2002. It's clear to me that PPG doesn't want you to get their information via third party sources. They changed the file name for the newer version of the MP176 and now use Java Script to access the tech sheets from their own site in order to discourage direct linking from outside sites. Sooo, the best, most up-to-date information is available directly from the manufacturer of the product. Any other source should be considered suspect.

As far as the polyester body fillers are concerned, PPG markets some in their main product line. At least they have a PPG label on them. They even have a tech sheet for them, which I think is nice but rather odd. Most simple body fillers carry the minimal instructions needed on the can label and don't have a separate tech sheet at all. I must say I have never noticed any PPG fillers on display where I buy my PPG products. There are enough competitive manufacturers like Evercoat, 3M and the Bondo Family to make a dedicated PPG filler a slow mover. They probably also carry a premium price just for the PPG label. I think the stuff is all basically the same anyway - polyester. There is a difference between the fillers and the putties however, like the 3m Finishing Putty. While both are polyester, the so-called "finishing putty" is a little smoother, less likely to create pinholes and is not as thick in consistency as the normal body filler.

I wouldn't trust the counter salesman to give you reliable advice. It's understandable that they would push their own products rather than a competitors but many do not even know much about the things they are selling themselves! You really have to know basically what you want to buy before you even go to the counter. That's why the manufacturer's tech sheets - at least to the extent you can get 'em - are the best way for anyone to browse what's available, see what's likely to be compatible and what's not and decide which of many different products may be best for any particular job. Someone coming in cold with no prior knowledge in automotive paints can easily be confused and even deceived because of the multitude of different possible combinations from many different manufacturers. The internet, manufacturer's websites and painting discussion forums have made the situation a lot better for the DIY to get information and a variety of opinions to choose from.

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scott#2

07-13-2005 16:18:15




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to Rod (NH), 07-12-2005 19:37:08  
Rod,

The one thing that stuck out in my mind was that, even though their product line is up to date (possibly) their td sheets aren't. If you look at the MP170 sheet, the cleaner listed for it is the mx variety. I wonder how many other sheets are like that. A little confusing for the beginner. I guess a good counter person would see that and research the proper cleaner where as a lesser sales person would probably grab what ever is handy. Ive read it on this forum, When you go to the paint store, tell them what you want, dont let them pick it out. Just makes me wonder how many paint jobes have been trashed over a small, simple error like that.

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Rod (NH)

07-13-2005 20:23:20




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to scott#2, 07-13-2005 16:18:15  
I guess I just don't understand your thoughts here. Are you saying the MX190 is no longer produced or is no longer available from PPG as a company (not just the local vendor)? As far as I know, the MX190 is (and should be) referenced in all OMNI tech sheets that reference a cleaner. That makes sense since it is in the same product line. I have never seen a tech sheet for the MX190 and suspect that one has never existed. I don't know that to be true though. The way I see it is if MX190 is still produced and marketed as an OMNI product by PPG, as a company, then their tech sheets that refer to it are not out-of-date.

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scott#2

07-16-2005 07:03:07




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 Re: Complete updates PPG product list anywhere?? in reply to Rod (NH), 07-13-2005 20:23:20  
My thoughts were that for the MP170 it say to use that mx cleaner on the sheet, doesnt mention anything about the dx330 cleaner and the PPG guy I spoke to said he cant get it. (mabey he lied to me and didnt need the hassle of ordering another product for me) I would think the sheet would be updated if its no longer in that lineup.

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