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Clear Coat and/or Hardener??

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Dave Johnson

03-01-2002 21:47:51




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I have a '47 Farmall BN and this is going to be my first time painting, I have already bought some enamel paint, primer, and fast reducer. I was looking for a fairly decent shine and good protection of the paint from chipping, peeling, and cracking. Should I use hardener with my paint and then clear coat it or just hardener or just clear?? Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Also any other tips you may have on the whole painting process please let me know. Thanks.

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Mike S

03-09-2002 16:55:26




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 Re: Clear Coat and/or Hardener?? in reply to Dave Johnson, 03-01-2002 21:47:51  
Hey dave I use caseIH 2150 enamel on my tractors with a hardener. For a first paint job I would stay with the enamel paint. Be sure to use caseIH paint it is very good paint.



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Dave_Id

03-08-2002 13:00:17




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 Re: Clear Coat and/or Hardener?? in reply to Dave Johnson, 03-01-2002 21:47:51  
I suggest with staying with one system. Check out the prices at your local PPG dealer. Instead of using enamel, then going thru the hassle of scuffing and clearcoating, why don't you just use PPG Omni base coat, and clear over the top of that. Like Rod says, don't use a catylist that is too fast, it'll chip too easy.



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Johnbob

03-02-2002 15:45:01




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 Re: Clear Coat and/or Hardener?? in reply to Dave Johnson, 03-01-2002 21:47:51  
Dupont dosn't recomend using clear coat over hardend paint.When I use clear coat I mix clear coat with the paint 50/50 with a lot of thiner.I think it helps the clear bond better.



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Johnbob

03-02-2002 15:39:31




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 Re: Clear Coat and/or Hardener?? in reply to Dave Johnson, 03-01-2002 21:47:51  
Dupont dosn't recomend using clear coat over hardend paint.When I use clear coat I mix clear coat with the paint 50/50 with a lot of thiner.I think it helps the clear bond better.



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Rod (NH)

03-02-2002 13:56:34




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 Re: Clear Coat and/or Hardener?? in reply to Dave Johnson, 03-01-2002 21:47:51  
Hi Dave,

I am putting together my personal thoughts on paint for new painters in an email to Tim, for his questions below. It is winding up to be rather lengthy. When I am finished, I’ll post it under his post for others to consider also. The hardener matter will be covered there. What brand of paint do you have? If it’s PPG or DuPont automotive type paint I may be able to help you out a little. Make sure you follow the label directions carefully when mixing though. Generally "fast" reducers are intended only for spraying in cool temperatures...say, for example, below 60 deg F. They can result in excessive "orange peel" effect if used at higher temps. It should tell you on the label. Personally, I think use of clear coats is unnecessary for most jobs. They are, in fact, necessary for the newer automotive basecoat/clearcoat systems used by most of the OEMs. However the basecoat in those systems is essentially flat. To get any gloss and protection at all, you NEED the clearcoat for those systems. My '89 Ford Ranger is NOT a good salesman for clear coats. The clear is peeling off all over and the damned thing looks like a snake shedding its' skin :o). Optionally, you can usually add a clear coat for some increased depth and gloss but unless your primary objective is show, I don’t think they are worth it.

For now,
Rod

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