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baler 46

07-14-2005 22:26:06

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Hi Just wondering if it worth the extra cost of auto paint?Going to paint a ihc 856 and want a good paint and primer.Does agrig paint hold up good ,or should we use auto paint.How good is paint and primer from a case-ihc dealer,will this paint fad much? Just not sure what to use.Not to trilled about using the stuff at $200 bucks a gallon .Is alkdly paint any good to use. thanks sorry about the long post just not sure what to use.

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Seth_ia

07-18-2005 18:34:10

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Re: is automotive paint worth the extra cost in reply to baler 46, 07-14-2005 22:26:06

First let me say that it is my opinion that you should not spray hardner with out supplied air. While I have no experience w/ hardner, some of the guys on this forum did a mighty good job of scaring me away from it. Since I don't have supplied air I would say auto paint is not worth the money. IH paint is a "fast drying acrylic modified" paint according to the can. I have had great luck with all of the IH paint products(thinner, primer, and paint). I sould note that IH just added a hardner to their paint line, which I have no plans to use. I have used omni with w/o hardner and that is garbage. Omni w/o hardner can not be recoated, after the intial 20 minutes, for about 3 months. Omni might be good paint with hardner, but it garbage w/o. I have been told dupont paints don't have that problem.

Personally for the money if you are not going to use hardner I would stick to OEM when it comes to IH paint. IH paint shines great and holds up very good if you just wax the tractor. IH paint applies very nice if you follow the directions perfectly. I found this out the hard way when IH switched paint chemestry. When it come to JD alklyd paint I don't know what to do. I am currently trying to decide if I should use deere or dupont paint on my 4430. I see wear and durability issues with deere paint. The other thing to consider is that all the gloss that urathanes provide is not original to the tractor. Dealer paint may not be perfect, but is close to factory.

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CNKS

07-18-2005 20:02:09

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Re: is automotive paint worth the extra cost in reply to Seth_ia, 07-18-2005 18:34:10

If you plan on painting more than a couple of tractors, $500 or so for a supplied air system to use with hardener is money well spent.

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Seth_ia

07-19-2005 19:54:17

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Re: is automotive paint worth the extra cost in reply to CNKS, 07-18-2005 20:02:09

I can't disagree with you there. I am currently thinking about buying one. I have guys crawling out of the wood work wanting hardner in paint. Talk about good P.R. These guys think that all you do is add a little hardner to any old cheap paint and it is automatically as good as the paint on their new truck.

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CNKS

07-15-2005 05:54:31

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Re: is automotive paint worth the extra cost in reply to baler 46, 07-14-2005 22:26:06

Stay away from aklyd (sp?) paint, fades rapidly. The PPG Omni or DuPont Nason topcoats are in the $90-$120 range with hardener -- you need a supplied air system for hardener, a cartridge mask won't do. You can use acrylic enamel with or without hardener (better results with), acrylic urethane must have hardener. You really don't need the $200/gal stuff. Another advantage of using a major brand is that you can use primers, hardeners, etc from the same company and be assured of compatibility. Total cost for that size tractor will be $300 plus.

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Tim...Ok

07-15-2005 04:28:16

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Re: is automotive paint worth the extra cost in reply to baler 46, 07-14-2005 22:26:06

The Dupont Nason Urethane runs about $100 a gallon also,it"s amazing stuff,yes it"s worth the money..there is no reason to go to the trouble to clean one up good enough to paint,then spray $20 a gallon paint on it..in my opinion

Tim

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Jason(ma)

07-15-2005 04:01:44

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Re: is automotive paint worth the extra cost in reply to baler 46, 07-14-2005 22:26:06

quick answer is YES. PPG's omni line seams to be the popular one here. Runs about $100/gal. CIH paint in the past has faded in a short while. Someone on the IHC area was saying they have a different paint now, I don't know about it for sure.

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Wayne Swenson

07-15-2005 06:31:04

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Re: is automotive paint worth the extra cost in reply to Jason(ma), 07-15-2005 04:01:44

My son & I have used the IH 2150 paint and have excellent results. Add a little hardner & clear coat if you wish.
The results are great and have lasted without fading.

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CNKS

07-15-2005 17:33:35

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Re: is automotive paint worth the extra cost in reply to Wayne Swenson, 07-15-2005 06:31:04

The advantage of using a major manufacturer's paint is that they make primers, surfacers, reducers and hardeners that are compatible with each other, i.e., a "family" of paints, along with very specific instructions on how to use the products, down to the grit of sandpaper to use. The systems are basically foolproof, even for someone who has not painted before, provided that person does a little research first. As for as CIH paint goes, 2150 has one primer, may be ok, I don't know; but I prefer epoxy on bare metal (IH's isn't) followed by a sandable surfacer on the sheet metal -- don't know how sandable the CIH primer is, but it is certainly not a high build surfacer. Also CIH 2150 does not come in acrylic urethane, which is a superior paint. You could probably use PPG's or Dupont's primers and surfacers under CIH 2150 (maybe), but the cost savings of using CIH $45? 2150 topcoat on a restoration that costs $3-$4000 anyway are negligible. Makes no sense to me to cover all that work with cheap paint -- even if CIH has improved it to the point that it doesn't fade like it used to. Only my opinion.

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