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Chad (IA)

07-17-2005 07:00:38




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Experts, I will have my Oliver 1655 painted next summer and need to start considering paint. I will use Martin Senour Paint and have the paint codes and decals from the Dumonts. What type of paint and hardener do I use for the absolute best shine finish? Money is not a concern. Chad (IA)




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CNKS

07-18-2005 09:15:53




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 Re: Best finish advice needed. in reply to Chad (IA), 07-17-2005 07:00:38  
Haven't used it -- money is no object? Buy the most expensive they have. Their "economy" acrylic urethane (single stage) would be ok, though. Someone familiar with Martin Senour can give you the details.



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Illinois Boy

07-18-2005 10:42:18




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 Re: Best finish advice needed. in reply to CNKS, 07-18-2005 09:15:53  
Money is not a concern??
Can I move in with ya' ?????



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Chad (IA)

07-18-2005 12:24:31




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 Re: Best finish advice needed. in reply to Illinois Boy, 07-18-2005 10:42:18  
OK. Let me rephrase, I don't mind spending a couple hundred more dollars on paint if I get a good looking top coat.



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Cliff Neubauer

07-20-2005 11:03:08




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 Re: Best finish advice needed. in reply to Chad (IA) , 07-18-2005 12:24:31  
With PPG paints you can mix clear coat into the top coats of their single stage urethane paints, I did that on our 706 and it really gave it a deep shine. The first three coats were regular urethane paint but on the next three coats I think I mixed up to 20% clear in and then color sanded to give the paint a really deep look at a lower cost than a full base coat/clear coat paint system would have cost.

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Jack Mc

07-20-2005 21:25:01




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 Re: Best finish advice needed. in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 07-20-2005 11:03:08  
When you say single stage Urethane does this mean you use no hardener or am I mis reading here. And if so would you not need hardener for the clear? Would like to find a way for a good hard finish, glossy but still not use hardener. Too many scary stories out there on isocyanates. Jack



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Rod (NH)

07-21-2005 18:11:52




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 Re: Best finish advice needed. in reply to Jack Mc, 07-20-2005 21:25:01  
Hi Jack,

A single stage paint doesn't require a clear coat to obtain the gloss. It has nothing to do with if a hardener is used or not. It's a term that has come about since the use of basecoat/clearcoat systems where the basecoat provides the color but is relatively flat and requires a separate clear coat to get the gloss. That is sometimes called a two stage paint for that reason. All urethanes use an isocyanate-containing hardener. That includes the single stage paints and the clear coats used with bc/cc systems. At one time DuPont marketed a non-iso clear. They may still have it. I have never used it so I can't comment. The vast majority of clears require an isocyanate-containing hardener

Be aware that the hardeners used in two-part acrylic and synthetic enamels also contain isocyanates. You can avoid isocyanates by using the tractor paints and some automotive enamels that do not require a hardener additive. Of course you loose the advantages of using a hardener. You can still get a very good gloss but fixing errors are a problem and the chemical and fade resistance and gloss retention will not be as good. You are correct about avoiding isocyanates unless you have a fresh air breathing system. Getting such a breathing system should really be the first priority for anyone serious about using modern paints.

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Jack mc

07-21-2005 20:02:38




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 Re: Best finish advice needed. in reply to Rod (NH), 07-21-2005 18:11:52  
Thanks Rod- that cleared that up for me. Am always looking for a paint that doesn't require such expensive backup equipment that will have some lasting power. Doesn't work does it! Live in Arizona and paint is terrible to fade here. Jack



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