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So, who would send me a piece of their tractor thats the same as or very close to Daniels that I can borrow for a couple of days? Or, what was that Delstar paint code that Daniel painted his tractor with. That color is the closest so far that Ive seen and PPG doesnt have any old Delstar records anymore.

By the way PPG lists 71096 as Matador red, they say its kind of a fire engine red.

Daniel can you find that old Delstar code #? Or could I convince you to send me a small, painted piece of something at least 4" x 4" square and flat?

Sounds pretty foolish to me. Thanks for all your help.

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If I cant get a sample of the Delstar 71310, I will throw the dice and try to get the paint guy to mix up some Omni 71310 with less orange and we'll see what that looks like. At this point I dont even think I will try a spray out of the sample I have. I dont think its worth cleaning the gun over. It just isnt the right color.

Still looking for a Delstar sample,

Thank You,

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The first time I used 71310 was on our 706 and as you can see there was an orange tint to it at first but once we got it outside you couldn't notice it and now four years later the Omni still looks as good as it did when it was painted unlike the 2150 and Gloss Red I painted at around the same time. Last summer I had our 706 and 1086 both painted with 71310 at the Red Power Roundup in Mt. Pleasant and they both got alot of comments but I never heard anybody question them being the correct shade of red. I will say that the guy who used to mix my paint was second to none and had done a fair share of painting himself so he might have been doing a better job of tinting the paint than the average guy. Also that dealer sells alot of Omni paint so they are probably mixing from a fairly fresh batch of tinters. I've also noticed a difference in the color between cans of 2150 so it has problems too. Unless your tractor is going to be a show tractor that seldom sees sunlight in the long run I think you are going to see a more consistant color with the automotive paints because they are much more resistant to fading.

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Here is that same tractor a couple weeks later after it was finished in sunlight and it doesn't have the orange tint to it. I don't know why that paint looked orange at first but maybe it was just the light.

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Exactly what Im thinking, we will find out next week and maybey this whole thing will be resolved.

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Cliffs tractor looks about right to me. Ive gotten pretty chummy with the guys at PPG here.

I find it hard to believe that PPGs 71310 is intentionally formulated to put out that orange tint.

Im going to go back and have them mix a precise sample again and have them stir or shake the cans before pouring them in. That might be the whole problem with 71310. No one buys it, the tints probably sit on the shelf motionless for a good amount of time. In fact, when he went to mix me that sample, he was out of a tint and had to go get a new can. He just opened it up, screwed on the pourer and put it in. Who knows how long that has been sitting and if memory server, I beleive it was the first tint, red. (mabey wishful thinking)

Now, how to convince these guys to remove the pouring lids and stir or shake those tints, Im going to have to think about that one. Boy if anyone can ever beat something into the ground...I CAN.

Failing that I will try getting 2150 matched in omni if I can find any around here.

Anyone looking for an in depth IH Color discussion on this forum, will find none better than right here. Thanks for the education Rod, CNKS. It is priceless to me. Will keep you posted.

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Hmmm...sounds like a poor practice to me. I've never mixed any paint but have noticed a jobber do it in the past when the mixing rack(s) were basically in sight of the customer. The racks that I recall had 20 or so cans (usually gallons) on a rack that looked something like this:

All cans were automatically and simultaneously stirred by a motorized, gang type stirring mechanism. The cans of tints had their covers replaced by stirring devices with built-in pouring spouts. Those devices looked something like this:

When I wanted a custom mix made up while I waited, the paint person would start up the power mixing mechanism and after a couple minutes, pull one of the tints off the rack and pour the appropriate amount. That was duplicated for each of the remaining tints until complete. This was a place that had a fairly high turnover supplying most of the local bodyshops. They were a large autoparts house, but their paint sales (both PPG and DuPont products) had a dedicated paint service counter and a dedicated paint person at each of their several satellite stores around NH. If that person was not there, there would be no paint mixed, period. It was basically a paint store within a parts store - and still is.

I certainly would not expect someone to just open up a new can of paint without some type of stirring effort and begin using it in a mix. Any paint store worth its' salt that sells factory mixed house paint will at least put a new can in a shaker for a couple of minutes before selling it to you. I hope Frank Stalfire sees this thread and comments on current practice by jobbers. This type of thing shouldn't make any difference whether it's DuPont, PPG or anyone else. The place I go now does all the mixing behind closed doors and I don't get a chance to see what's going on. I can't imagine it's grossly different except for a possibly more computerized operation.

You shouldn't have to try and convince the store to make sure the ingredients are properly stirred - jeez, that seems so basic. Are you sure there's not another PPG jobber near you? You can search on the PPG website by zipcode. You might be surprised.

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