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Lance R.

07-24-2005 11:27:06




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I just bought two quarts of IH 2150 paint and a can of thinner yesterday. After reading the thread below I'm beginning to rethink how to paint the 560D. I was going to take the paint into body shop Monday so the narrow front end and rims could be painted. Am I going to be disappointed with this? Should he use a hardener or should I really get something else. I do plan to use this tractor for work, show, and play. You guys are talking way above my head with all your paint jargon. I want originality and durability and a deep shine. I need a short, sweet, and to the point answer. I do take pride in my red tractors.

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RustyFarmall

07-25-2005 09:20:10




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to Lance R., 07-24-2005 11:27:06  
Case-IH 2150 is an excellent, high quality paint. It is quite durable and will last many many, years. If applied properly it will give a very high gloss, and will do all this at a small fraction of the cost of automotive paint. Apparently there are some people that think the 2150 is in the same class as the paint you can buy at the local farm and home, but it is not. The two paints should not be compared, they are not the same quality.

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Seth_ia

07-26-2005 19:17:44




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-25-2005 09:20:10  
Amen, Finally some one that thinks the same as me. I couldn't have said it any better.



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CNKS

07-26-2005 20:14:29




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to Seth_ia, 07-26-2005 19:17:44  
Anyone who uses and likes any kind of paint, does not need anyone elses approval to use it. I don't volunteer information. When asked, I simply state what I believe, based on my own experience, along with the experience of others who have painted longer than I have. Sometimes that is not what the person wants to hear. You, Rusty, or anyone else are also free to state what you believe -- but, we do not have to agree with each other. I realize this is confusing to those reading this forum who have no painting experience. It has to be that persons decision after reading this forum, in addition they should talk to other people and read other forums. This is not the only paint forum in the world, although IMO it is the best tractor forum.

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CNKS

07-25-2005 12:28:04




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-25-2005 09:20:10  
Another way of putting it: 2150 is one step up from tractor store paint, PPG Omni acrylic enamel(and equivalent lines from other companies) is one step up from 2150, Omni acrylic urethane is one step up from acrylic enamel. PPG Concept (and equivalent brands) is likely several levels above PPG Omni acrylic urethane. Painters choice. But, there is simply no way a synthetic enamel (CIH 2150) at $40 a gallon or so will equal $1-$300 acrylic urethane, or the top line acrylic enamels of the major companies -- money talks. Some people are happy with 2150, fine with me. Again, A far as I'm concerned, Case-IH paint is for those who do not want to do a complete down to bare metal, fill all the dents type paint job. That kind of a job should use better paint. On the other hand, I have a couple of implements to paint someday, I really doubt if I use $300 paint on those -- I'm done, we can agree to disagree.

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BPNT

08-04-2005 21:59:12




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to CNKS, 07-25-2005 12:28:04  
I know nothing about 2150, but I can tell you that price has little to do with finished quality when you knnow what you are talking about. If you disagree, fine...but paint something in ALK200 w/201 catalyst and compare to MAE with MH101 catalyst 6 years down the road. MAE is a little more expense but far inferior to 200. You must consider the market for which each product was intended-MAE for low end car lots and DIY's, ALK200 for quick-solution-desiring manufacturers. Compare AUE300 to concept and you get a larger descrepancy of price vs. value. Compare PPG's DDH 525 hardener to their DU5 hardener. The price is significantly different, but they both taste the same...ya feel me? If you even have a clue what I am talking about, you'll have a much greater understanding of the rules of the game...if not, keep paying more for less. I can be your best friend and save you hundred$ or I can be a forum nut who save$ you nada...the choice is dependant upon your openminded-ness...a customer turned me on to this site and I want to help...

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RustyFarmall

07-25-2005 14:11:06




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to CNKS, 07-25-2005 12:28:04  
I guess that we could argue this point until the cows come home. Case-IH 2150 is not just one step above tractor store paint, it is several steps above. If I am going to go to all the work of repainting, you can bet that I will either straighten or fill all the dents, and do anything else necessary for good results, and if I screw it up, all I have to do is let it cure a few days and then start over again, the cost of the paint won't make me cry, and I don't need to worry about the final results being either orange or pink.

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CNKS

07-25-2005 17:46:25




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-25-2005 14:11:06  
For those wanting to see what Rusty and I are babbling about see the link, and click on ALK 200 or ALK 200/201 (with hardener), the 6th and 7th items down near the top of the list -- Omni (MAE and MTK) are further down the list, as are the more expensive paints such as Concept. Case-IH acrylic modified 2150 will be similar to the PPG ALK versions. Apparantly the modification adds some fade resisitance to aklyd enamel, and it has some other improvements. This is a cheaper line of paint, perhaps good enough, but, in my opinion, not suitable for someone who puts a lot of time into preparation, and who wants the best possible results (within reason). That type of work deserves better paint. For a simple pressure washing, paint scuffing and topcoating, perhaps so. Otherwise all tractor and car manufacturers would be using the acrylic modified stuff instead of acrylic urethane. I will say that by the date of 8/2003, that acrylic modified stuff has not been around too long, I believe that is about when the CIH 2150 version showed up, also, not sure. Unless someone corrects me, it does not yet have a track record.

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Lance R.

07-25-2005 12:58:12




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to CNKS, 07-25-2005 12:28:04  
Just talked to the painter and he says most of his customers use "Concept" on the rims because it really resists chipping and has a real deep shine. He's getting the cost together this afternoon. I'll let you know how it goes. Lance



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CNKS

07-25-2005 18:07:53




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to Lance R., 07-25-2005 12:58:12  
That's fine, but choose a color with a little gray in it. The rims were originally galvanized and did not have much of a shine. Contrary to what your painter says, that's one place I would try to save a little money and use PPG Omni AE or AU. The code I used is 8568 -- you may or may not like it.



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Lance R.

07-25-2005 19:09:26




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to CNKS, 07-25-2005 18:07:53  
I'm talking about the front rims and pedistal. They will be red but not sure of the code yet.



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CNKS

07-25-2005 19:25:00




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to Lance R., 07-25-2005 19:09:26  
Yes, I forgot you said 560, wheels and rims are red. With PPG, the "correct" code is 71310, the code "usually" does not change with the quality of the paint -- unless your painter is familiar with that color and knows a different code that is more accurate. There are other ones, but people seem to think that 71310 is the accepted one -- I don't know. Concept likely will not show orange like Omni.

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jason(ma)

07-25-2005 09:06:06




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to Lance R., 07-24-2005 11:27:06  
Here is a more opinonated answer, CIH2150 is okay. ppg, dupont, napa single stage urethans are excellent. I wouldn't pay for someone to shoot 2150 just not worth the savings.



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CNKS

07-24-2005 13:29:43




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to Lance R., 07-24-2005 11:27:06  
My opinion, and only my opinion:--2150 should be the correct color -- be sure it is well mixed before it is used, preferably on a paint shaker. Will be better with hardener. (The body shop guy painting it is supposed to already know the answers to all your questions). You may or may not be able to tell the difference between it and more expensive paint, provided your painter does a quality job -- that is not to say that it will last 10-20 years like good automotive paint will. Some people swear by CIH 2150. But, it will not have the durability or gloss of more expensive paint. Unless you compare two tractors side by side you may not know the difference, not for a couple of years, anyway. Tractor dealer paint is intended for those who want a quick paint job, not those who want to spend several weeks or months of preparation, as some of us do. CIH paint is a "acrylic modified" paint. it is a somewhat improved version of the synthetic enamel that was used on cars in the 50's. Paint has vastly improved since then, but synthetic enamel is still sold to those who do not want to buy more expensive paint. There really is no short, sweet, and to the point answer.

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CNKS

07-24-2005 13:30:37




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to CNKS, 07-24-2005 13:29:43  
Sorry, I hit the post button twice.



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CNKS

07-24-2005 13:28:51




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 Re: IH 2150 paint in reply to Lance R., 07-24-2005 11:27:06  
My opinion, and only my opinion:--2150 should be the correct color -- be sure it is well mixed before it is used, preferably on a paint shaker. Will be better with hardener. (The body shop guy painting it is supposed to already know the answers to all your questions). You may or may not be able to tell the difference between it and more expensive paint, provided your painter does a quality job -- that is not to say that it will last 10-20 years like good automotive paint will. Some people swear by CIH 2150. But, it will not have the durability or gloss of more expensive paint. Unless you compare two tractors side by side you may not know the difference, not for a couple of years, anyway. Tractor dealer paint is intended for those who want a quick paint job, not those who want to spend several weeks or months of preparation, as some of us do. CIH paint is a "acrylic modified" paint. it is a somewhat improved version of the synthetic enamel that was used on cars in the 50's. Paint has vastly improved since then, but synthetic enamel is still sold to those who do not want to buy more expensive paint. There really is no short, sweet, and to the point answer.

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