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scott#2b

08-21-2005 17:06:41




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Starting to get back into it after the paint experiments. I have to admit that I got pretty discouraged there for a while about all the variables with PPG paint mixing. Im going to get 1 more sample before I get the gallon, (it would appear Im still not through in this area, can you believe that?)

Assuming I get the color that makes my little mind happy, and I can prime and shoot the topcoat within the window, I am guessing this would be an appropriate time to educate myself on the different types of reducers and hardeners.

This is what I have:

MP170 & MP175 cat. 1.3 - 1.5 mm tip

MP182 surfacer and MH166 very slow hadener. 1.6 - 1.8mm tip

MTK with MR 186 med reducer and MH169 very slow hardener. 1.4 - 1.6mm tip

I am waiting for the right weather to do this, in the 80s or less and dry.

Are there the correct types of hardeners and reducers, (fast, med, slow, very slow, etc.) for the shooting conditions? And under what circumstances would you use one speed or type of hardener or reducer over another?

These 3 different processes call for HVLP tip sizes from 1.3 - 1.8 mm. Does this really make a difference when spraying? Could I use a 1.3 for all the spraying or should I abide by the product sheet and order up some tips?

Also, when do you know when the paint is reduced correctly for spraying? Do you folks reduce to the standard on the MTK sheet, or for higher solids and what is the difference there?

Thanks for all your help, especially you, Rod and CNKS,

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CNKS

08-21-2005 18:13:32




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 Re: Reducers Hardeners in reply to scott#2b, 08-21-2005 17:06:41  
Without going out and looking at my old cans, I think I used the slow hardener, my painting temp is usually more like 70-75 degrees. Rod listed his opinion on this a while back and said MH167 was 60-75 degrees, MH168 70-85 degrees and MH169 80-95 degrees. You have to decide what your projected temperature is. Rod also states that MR186 is for 70-80, and MR 187 for 80-90. My rather limited knowledge tells me that the reducer temp is more important than the hardener temp (no proof). You are correct on the tip size for 170. My primer gun has a 1.5 and a 1.8 tip. It came with a 1.8 tip, I changed to 1.5 because 170 and a 1.8 is sort of like a fire hose. The 1.6-1.8 is better for 182, but I don't like to continually change tips, and am too cheap to buy another primer gun, so I thin the 182 about 5%. For all practical purposes, I don't think the thinning hurts anything, perhaps one more coat is needed. I have used a 1.3 and a 1.5 for MTK, they both work, your technique will make more difference than the tip size. In fact I have used a 1.0 for MTK in a touch-up gun. I have not sprayed anything with my current guns but the primers and MTK 71310, (plus some silvr MAE on the rims), I don't believe that is considered a high solids paint -- Rod can define that. Other than modifiying the 182 by 5%, I mix MTK 4:1:1?, as it says on the P-sheet, PPG knows more than I do, so I don't deviate. The link is Rods discussion about the reducers and thinners, you have probably already seen it.

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CNKS

08-21-2005 19:33:53




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 Re: Reducers Hardeners in reply to CNKS, 08-21-2005 18:13:32  
The link should say Reducers/hardeners, obviously -- only thing I don't like about this site is that I can't edit my numerous typos.



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Jack Mac (AZ Jack)

08-21-2005 20:56:06




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 Re: Reducers Hardeners in reply to CNKS, 08-21-2005 19:33:53  
That is OK CNKS--as much as you and a couple other nice guys and the info you impart on this site (tirelessly) we will forgive you!



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CNKS

08-22-2005 06:06:20




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 Re: Reducers Hardeners in reply to Jack Mac (AZ Jack), 08-21-2005 20:56:06  
Thanks -- I was overwhelmed with guilt -- the connection between my brain and fingers often shorts out.



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