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installing decals painting question

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CEB

10-26-2005 08:39:33




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I am planning on putting some new hood decals on my 7710 Ford tractor. I heard somewhere that you can put something on the sticky side of the decal so that it will side around temporarily in order to properly position it. I can't remember what it was though?
Also, is adding hardner to paint what gives it that nice shine? It seems that when I just use a rattle spray can the paint is dull after awhile.

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Rod (NH)

10-26-2005 19:59:24




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 Re: installing decals painting question in reply to CEB, 10-26-2005 08:39:33  
Hi,

If you are using the one-piece mylar decals, Daniel has it covered. However, if you are using the cut vinyl decals (common for hood decals but more expensive) with individual letters, do not use any type of liquid. This type of decal is not meant to be, in fact cannot be, slid around at all after contact. For details on properly applying such decals, see here.

In my opinion, adding hardener to an enamel doesn't do much of anything for shine, despite what some of the claims may be. It provides a much faster cure and greatly increases the chemical resistance of the resulting paint film. It also provides a physically harder film and permits easier repair of application errors. I have seen some really beautiful shines from unhardened enamels - true automotive enamels, not rattle can paint. The shine (gloss) comes from proper surface preparation, proper reduction, proper application and good flowout of the film before it dries, not from some specific additive.

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CEB

10-27-2005 06:14:34




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 Re: installing decals painting question in reply to Rod (NH), 10-26-2005 19:59:24  
This tractor doesn't have very much rust. The paint is just real faded. I plan on doing a good job of cleaning all of the grease and dirt off. Do I need to apply an epoxy primer or can I just paint over the existing paint? Do I need to scuff up the existing paint? What would be a good economical paint to use? An acrylic enamel maybe? I plan to use my air spray gun. Should I put down some type of base coat before applying paint? What would be best?
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm more of a mechanic than a painter.

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Rod (NH)

10-27-2005 18:36:52




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 Re: installing decals painting question in reply to CEB, 10-27-2005 06:14:34  
Yes, you need to scuff up the existing paint for decent adhesion of the new paint. You can use a Scotch-Brite hand pad such as 3M #7447 (general purpose - maroon) or 400 grit sandpaper. You should spot-prime all areas that show any bare metal. My personal preference for that is an epoxy primer. After spot-priming the bare metal areas, I also like to apply one coat of epoxy primer over everything. That step is not mandatory but I like to start with a uniform color base for application of the topcoat. Such a step also provides a sealer to prevent any possible adverse reaction with the new paint. I don't think there would be any since your paint is old and obviously well cured, but it's always a nice precautionary step. This assumes that you do not use anything significantly coarser than 400 grit or do any body work such as plastic filler. After that type of work a heavily bodied surfacer would be appropriate after the primer, then final sanding with 400, then topcoating with the color.

After you get all the old oil and grease off by whatever means available, you should do a cleaning (prior to sanding/scuffing) with a dedicated wax and grease remover. I use PPG's DX330 but there are others available. See here for detailed instructions. Repeat the same thing after the sanding/scuffing. That will provide the cleanest and best surface for the new primer/paint.

There is no "base coat" needed unless you care to define the primer as a base coat. This assumes you are using a single stage topcoat and not a two stage basecoat/clearcoat combination.

An acrylic enamel would be a very good choice. It is the best choice when trying to avoid the safety issues in not using proper respiratory protection when using hardener additives. Do a search in this forum on the term isos or isocyanates to get some background on this important matter. Make sure any acrylic enamel you are considering can be properly used w/o a hardener additive. Most can but there are some out there that cannot. For example, Ful-Cryl II acrylic enamel in DuPont's NASON line cannot be used w/o hardener. I am assuming here that avoiding a hardener is a prime consideration of yours. If you don't have fresh air breathing equipment, it should be. Fast-Dry acrylic enamel in the NASON line doesn't require such an additive and would be a choice, although I have never used it. So would MAE in PPG's OMNI line. The top acrylic enamels are DuPont's Centari and PPG's Delstar but they are pricey for what they are, in my opinion, plus Delstar may not be available at all in your area. It hasn't been available in mine for years now.

There was a recent post by R Wyler just down a bit on this page who used PPG's ALK200, an acrylic modified alkyd enamel in PPG's industrial line and was happy with the result. That would be another solution short of the tractor store and dealer paints.

Of course your paint selection will also depend on the ability to get it mixed at a local supplier in the proper color that you are looking for.

Rod

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Daniel H.

10-26-2005 18:44:42




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 Re: installing decals painting question in reply to CEB, 10-26-2005 08:39:33  
I have used a spray bottle with a single drop of dish detergent and a small squeegee like you find in the window tint section of the auto parts store with good luck. I have also read of using Windex with the Mylar decals.



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