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Rusty Metal Prep - Sand Blast?

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Jim in OH

11-14-2005 06:41:04




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I'm refering to the cast iron parts of a tractor...

After chemically removing layers of paint then trying to remove the rust that was under the paint with a wire wheel, there is still much rust remaining in the rough castings (not so much in the machined parts). I have about concluded that I will have to sandblast to get rid of this.

After reading many posts that this was not a preferred method (and not having enough air) are there methods to remove this rust without sandblasting?

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Jim

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Richard Scott

11-22-2005 16:27:46




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 Re: Rusty Metal Prep - Sand Blast? in reply to Jim in OH, 11-14-2005 06:41:04  
FWIW, if you do go for sand blasting, use sand to remove rust, bead blasting for removing paint. When I had access to both systems, I was amazed at how much faster beads removed paint, but it wouldn't touch the rust. OTOH, the sand did a pretty good and quick job on the rust.



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Jim in OH

11-14-2005 09:18:01




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 Re: Rusty Metal Prep - Sand Blast?-More Info in reply to Jim in OH, 11-14-2005 06:41:04  
I might add that I have read much in the archives and am leaning toward Picklex 20 treatment with or without sandblast. Will the Picklex do the trick without sandblasting? . POR15 is a possibility, but the responses are mixed on this topic...



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CNKS

11-14-2005 11:48:18




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 Re: Rusty Metal Prep - Sand Blast?-More Info in reply to Jim in OH, 11-14-2005 09:18:01  
Only an opinion. I have used Picklex on cast without problems, I imagine it will neutralize the rust in the pores. However, Picklex contains phosphoric acid, and an acid cannot be washed out, it must be neutralized. In my opinion, presented without proof, you should clean the cast after application, realizing that you won't be neutralizing all the acid -- I scrub the surface several times with PPG DX 330. The Picklex reacts with the cast, and any rags you use will come back BLACK, it will take several applications before you get a clean rag. It is not a quick wipe-down process, but the opposite. If you have access to a hot water pressure washer, or a steam cleaner, (I don't) that would be the way to go, even then I won't guarantee you have removed all the acid, but I don't think it will cause problems later. As to sandblasting, if you can keep the sand away from places where it will get into the tractor, that's ok, but I have never sandblasted a chassis, and that sand will find it's way into everything. All that said, I don't know how important a small amount of rust is anyway. There is almost always rust under old paint -- sometimes the old paint looks pretty good even over rust. I would be more concerned about it on sheet metal, as it can eventually eat all the way through, not so with cast. I have not used POR 15, and from what I have heard about it, I'm not going to. Whatever you do, do not use etch primer after Picklex. I don't believe you are supposed to use etch primer on cast anyway -- that's why I try to remove as much of the Picklex as I can. Sorry for the long post.

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Jim in OH

11-14-2005 12:55:34




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 Re: Rusty Metal Prep - Sand Blast?-More Info in reply to CNKS, 11-14-2005 11:48:18  
Thanks.. This is very helpful..

I do have pressure wash capabilities and I can add a little mild caustic to the wash, if that will make any difference. Problem is, that after washing it again, could be that rust starts to form again???? Sounds like it might be a vicious circle.. Picklex... wash... rust... picklex... etc.



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CNKS

11-14-2005 16:59:14




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 Re: Rusty Metal Prep - Sand Blast?-More Info in reply to Jim in OH, 11-14-2005 12:55:34  
It will rust within minutes, Picklex only protects dry metal, no waterproofing at all -- you have to dry it off immediately to avoid flash rust. Then use DX330 again, then epoxy. If you apply the Picklex a 2nd time, you will still get the reaction with the cast. Although I have not pressure washed after Picklex, on one tractor I used Picklex, went through a long procedure of cleaning until the rags were more or less clean, then used a second application of Picklex and did not use DX330 afterward. That was 3 years ago -- no ill effects so far. As you can see I am a little leery of using acid on cast, but have not had any problems as yet. I have yet to see a publication that recommends using phosphoric acid on cast, so we are on our own. All I can give is a "testimonial".

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ol' guy

11-14-2005 14:28:37




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 Re: Rusty Metal Prep - Sand Blast?-More Info in reply to Jim in OH, 11-14-2005 12:55:34  
I have restored 15 tractors in the last 17 year, and only one of them was completely sand-blasted--the first one I worked on. I swore I'd never blast another one, but like the original post, I'm working on one now that ,so far at least, resists anything I've tried. The 2 really professional restorers in this area both sand blast, and the results are both better than my results. So... I'm about to have the present one sand blasted and be prepared to deal with the consequences. Good luck on your tractor..

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CNKS

11-14-2005 17:06:21




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 Re: Rusty Metal Prep - Sand Blast?-More Info in reply to ol' guy, 11-14-2005 14:28:37  
"Professional" restorers are in it for the money. Only advantage they have over us is more experience painting. I'm not sure that is an advantage, as, speaking for myself, I am willing to take as much time as necessary, professionals know what they can get by with without the customer knowing. ---I'm not accusing anyone who reads this forum---.



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