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Picklex 20, Cast Iron and testing the primer bond

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Jim in OH

11-15-2005 07:01:14




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I wrote to the Picklex people and posed the issue about cast iron and Picklex 20. I am not sure it adds anything to what has been given before and I probably could have asked it more clearly to get a better response. But, here is what I asked (with their response following):

"I have a tractor in the restoration process. I am strongly considering using Picklex 20 to treat the rusty cast iron under the paint (after chemical and mechanical wire brush paint removal). A restorer has said that acid (picklex) on cast iron is not a good idea (apparently some concern about remaining acid in the "pores" that could later affect the paint). What is your response? Will it work? And can I prime (epoxy primer) directly on the dried treated area or must I remove some of the black "phosphate?" residue. Thank you... Jim"


Their response was:

"... I don't think there will be any problem. Picklex 20 has been in use by lot of companies for last 7 to 8 years with no problem (when used properly). For rusted surface, make sure to remove all loose rust up to the metal surface. Then apply Picklex 20 which will convert the rust 100% to a protective coating. Wipe off all excess chemical from the surface after a minute or so. The coating should be thinnest possible coating. That will provide a good bonding with the primer. Use epoxy primer. Make sure you do not use any self etching primer. If you like to test, perform the above procedure up to priming, on a very small area (about 6" x 6" area). Then after curing of the primer, perform a bonding test (cross hatch test by scribing thru the primer down to the metal, few 1/4" parallel lines. Then scribe 1/4" perpendicular lines over the previous lines. Then stick a tacky tape on the cross hatch and pill [sic] slowly upward. If the paint did not bond, it will come off). If the bonding comes out good, use the same way for all the area you want to do. Best regards, ..."

He probably means "through priming" not "to priming"... JIm

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CNKS

11-15-2005 13:05:34




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 Re: Picklex 20, Cast Iron and testing the primer b in reply to Jim in OH, 11-15-2005 07:01:14  
The guy is from India I believe, thus the not perfect English (sort of like mine). I have talked to him, I was more concerned about the reaction with the cast, that is cast is next to impossible to clean after applying, but it is very dirty prior to applying also -- he told me about the same thing about removing loose rust, I do that anyway, along with most of the "tight" rust, as you did. I am not sure he has ever used it on cast, and I don't believe that is what it was designed for, thus my words of caution. He did not mention the primer test. I would be more concerned about it lifting later -- but again, I have not had problems after 3 years. I prefer to remove all the Picklex conversion coating that I can before priming, regardless of what he says. The dirtier the cast (even after pressure washing, etc) the more white coating you will get. I believe the white coating is not only due to the rust, but to the lack of cleanliness of the cast. I much prefer to prime metal, rather than a coating. I use scuffy pads followed by 330. My guess is that you will be ok, but I assume no responsibility!

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Jim in OH

11-15-2005 13:35:31




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 Re: Picklex 20, Cast Iron and testing the primer b in reply to CNKS, 11-15-2005 13:05:34  
Thanks again... I guess I presumed that the conversion coating was black from some other posts. I just bought some Picklex so I'll get to try it. I am not in a hurry. I'll be lucky to get the cleaning/painting finished by spring. I only have weekends but fortunately I have a heated space :-) Jim



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CNKS

11-15-2005 16:59:13




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 Re: Picklex 20, Cast Iron and testing the primer b in reply to Jim in OH, 11-15-2005 13:35:31  
I don't use Picklex as a true conversion coating, that is I don't use it to convert heavy rust to iron phosphate in place of mechanical removal. I use it more as a protectant from re-rusting, or for hard to get to rust as you and I have. The residue I have seen is always white, it is also powdery and unstable, that is why I like to remove it.



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