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I want to paint, but want to stay healthy!

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BillNYS

03-11-2002 14:57:26




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I have read a lot of information about painting and learned a great deal from all you more experienced guys. One subject that is occassionally mentioned is the hazard of breathing these paint fumes. Are there face mask filters that will protect us? Do we need some sort of fresh air breathing equipment? What do you all do?




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CNKS

03-11-2002 18:45:09




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 Re: I want to paint, but want to stay healthy! in reply to BillNYS, 03-11-2002 14:57:26  
One thing that has not been brought is that isocyanates are odorless. So if you are spraying hardened paint wearing a charcoal mask and you don't smell anything, you are still breathing isocyanates. I am hypersensitive to certain herbicides, caused by spraying with no protection. One of them is 2,4-D, some farmers may laugh, go ahead, the other is Lasso. Read the the fine print, no matter what you are spraying.

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Rod (NH)

03-11-2002 17:13:01




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 Re: I want to paint, but want to stay healthy! in reply to BillNYS, 03-11-2002 14:57:26  
For paint materials that do NOT contain isocyanates, such as enamels WITHOUT hardeners, generally the chemical cartridge air-purifying respirator is used. This is your typical twin cartridge half-mask type of respirator. The cartridges should be approved for use with organic vapors and should carry the MSHA/NIOSH approval designation TC-23C-XXX. MSHA is the Mine Safety & Health Administration. NIOSH is the National Institute of Occupational Safety & Health. The label directions on your paint can will (usually in the fine print) specify the appropriate personal protection to use. Look for "air-purifying respirator" or the TC-23C designation. Dust masks from the chain stores are NOT the thing to use.

For paint materials containing isocyanates, that is...enamels used with hardeners, urethanes and polyurethanes, an air-supplied respirator is the ONLY type of personal protection to use. Again, look carefully in the fine print on the label of the hardener can or paint can for the requirements. Look for terms like "positive pressure air-supplied respirator" or "supplied-air respirator" or something similar. These respirators use a dedicated supply of fresh, uncontaminated air supplied under positive pressure directly to the respirator facepiece. They are not commonly found in the DIY compliment of equipment. They are expensive...mine cost several hundred dollars 15 years ago. I found out the hard way that I like to breath after spraying that stuff!

I very strongly recommend anyone spraying today’s paints to carefully follow the label directions for personal safety on the materials you are using...ALL the materials you are using. When mixing different components together, the mixture will assume the hazards of each of the components. So read all the individual labels for the appropriate safety information.

Ignoring stated safety recommendations is done at one’s own risk. If you think paint hardeners containing isocyanates are not a problem, go the following site for a more authoritative viewpoint.

Rod

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Cliff Neubauer

03-11-2002 16:21:07




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 Re: I want to paint, but want to stay healthy! in reply to BillNYS, 03-11-2002 14:57:26  
I use a positive pressure supplied air mask because I do quite a bit of painting. For the guy who is only painting once or twice a year a properly fitted charcol filter mask should be enough as long as the filters are replaced as directed and it fits correctly. It is hard to find anything in writing that says to use anything other than supplied air mask when using hardners because of liability.

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JD

03-11-2002 17:23:43




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 Re: Re: I want to paint, but want to stay healthy! in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 03-11-2002 16:21:07  
When you read some of hazards on the cans of these painting supplies it really makes you think of safety. I have been painting farm equipment off and on for about 20 years but recently started adding hardeners when I decided to paint our mechanically restored tractors. I found that the canister type mask doesn't cut it. I purchased a Hobby Air 2 fresh air supply and really like it. You feel NO ill effects after painting. When I first opened the delivery box I thought that was a lot of money for what was in there, but now I agree it's worth it. PLEASE paint safe.

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pat

03-13-2002 13:36:56




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 Re: Re: Re: I want to paint, but want to stay healthy! in reply to JD, 03-11-2002 17:23:43  
Where did you get your hobby air, and about what should I expect to pay? Pat



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Clooney

03-13-2002 14:57:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I want to paint, but want to stay healthy! in reply to pat, 03-13-2002 13:36:56  
Pat, try here, his prices aren't to bad.....



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Clooney

03-13-2002 14:54:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I want to paint, but want to stay healthy! in reply to pat, 03-13-2002 13:36:56  
Pat, try here, his prices aren't to bad.....



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Cliff Neubauer

03-11-2002 18:35:58




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 Re: Re: Re: I want to paint, but want to stay healthy! in reply to JD, 03-11-2002 17:23:43  
I agree about the positive pressure masks, I have a Hobby air I and it was probably one of the best investments I've made. I do not recremend using hardners without a positive pressure mask but if you do use a carbon canister mask and don've have really heavy over spray it most likely isn't going to kill you. Imron is a different story, without a positive pressure mask you will get very sick from even small exposures. I've used hardners without anything in the past but I consider myself lucky and I am only 22, it could be years before I see the side effects.

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