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mace56

11-21-2005 17:53:14




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The local tractor store sells Magic brand implement paints. Kubota Orange looks about like my old Allis Persian #1. Has anybody used this stuff out there?

The enamel is marked as Alklyd and they have hardeners and reducers to go with. The paint is only $18 per gallon. What gives? No custom colors.

I am a firm believer, if it sounds to good to be true, etc.

The hardener can has lots of lawyer stuff like if you are to be exposed to overspray use full air supply mask. Just like real paint right?

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Dick L

12-10-2005 16:43:44




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 Re: $18 per gallon? in reply to mace56 , 11-21-2005 17:53:14  
I have used 5 or 6 gallons of it and I have a coupla gallon out in the shop. The Magic brand hardener calles for one of those little cans per gallon of paint. I figgure if a little will do good a lottle do more good. Soo I been using two cans per gallon in hopes it would retard the fade. I been spraying without a mask or filter over my face in hopes the paint will out last me, being as old as I is. Does not seem to be working. I seem to still be breathing as of a little bit ago and the darn paint that I put on this spring, that spent the summer in the sun, has started to fade some.

Good thing is I always buy when the paint is on sale at around 16 bucks a gallon and even faded paint keeps down rust.

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Jeff C

11-25-2005 11:45:36




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 Re: $18 per gallon? in reply to mace56 , 11-21-2005 17:53:14  
I've used all sorts of automotive paint over the years and basically it seems to me that you get what you pay for. Polyurethanes like duPont's IMRON is probably the best for commercial/industrial applications. I've used "knock-off" brands, even duPont's and Sikkens' own cheaper brands and they just don't compare to the good stuff. Now having said that, you never know. I once painted my wife's car with duPont straight old alkyd enamel, reduced with dupont's acrylic enamel reducer and activated with a cheap brand of acrylic enamel hardener. Basically a cheap and quick job. The shine lasted a lot longer than the car did. Try out the $18/gal paint, you never know, just use it on something other than a nice restoration first...

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Jeff C

11-25-2005 11:41:50




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 Re: $18 per gallon? in reply to mace56 , 11-21-2005 17:53:14  
I've used all sorts of automotive paint over the years and basically it seems to me that you get what you pay for. Polyurethanes like duPont's IMRON is probably the best for commercial/industrial applications. I've used "knock-off" brands, even duPont's and Sikkens' own cheaper brands and they just don't compare to the good stuff. Now having said that, you never know. I once painted my wife's car with duPont straight old alkyd enamel, reduced with dupont's acrylic enamel reducer and activated with a cheap brand of acrylic enamel hardener. Basically a cheap and quick job. The shine lasted a lot longer than the car did. Try out the $18/gal paint, you never know, just use it on something other than a nice restoration first...

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CNKS

11-21-2005 18:07:21




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 Re: $18 per gallon? in reply to mace56 , 11-21-2005 17:53:14  
Does not matter what brand the hardener is, except for epoxy primers they contain iso's, thus a supplied air system is required. Hardener or not $18/gallon alkyd enamel will fade --- fast.



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mace56

11-21-2005 18:21:43




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 Re: $18 per gallon? in reply to CNKS, 11-21-2005 18:07:21  
Thanks CNKS. Sort of what I thought. I think I remember you sayin Alkyd is better than common acrylic enamels.

Are the epoxy primers are universal bases and will not blister when topcoated?

I assume the common hardware store primers must be removed to use the high quality topcoat systems, is that why you take everything down to bare metal?

I learn everyday on this forum, keep up the good work. Thanks

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CNKS

11-21-2005 19:34:24




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 Re: $18 per gallon? in reply to mace56, 11-21-2005 18:21:43  
Acrylic enamel is better than alkyd -- Straight alkyd enamel is the oldest and lowest quality of the current paints, particularly in terms of fade resistance. Epoxy or not I prefer to use everything from the same manufacturer, although I "think" a brand name epoxy (PPG, DuPont, etc) will work under any quality topcoat, it likely will work under alkyd enamel or acrylic modified alkyd enamel, also. Acrylic modified alkyd enamel is considered an industrial paint, but can be mixed in most tractor colors, and will be much better than the paint you mentioned. Not as good as acrylic enamel, and particularly acrylic urethane, but likely "good enough" for those who don't want to spend a pile of money. I go to bare metal because most old tractors have rust under the paint, and I don't trust the adhesion of the old paint. If the old paint is still sound, epoxy primer will seal it, greatly reducing the chance of lifting. But unless you have an older restoration, that initially had a quality paint job, that likely won't be the case.

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tommyw-5088

11-24-2005 16:42:22




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 Re: $18 per gallon? in reply to CNKS, 11-21-2005 19:34:24  
it will fade quick ,about a year outside here in texas.



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