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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOLINE U 80-100 HP QUESTION--THINKING ABOUT PULLING

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CASEPOWER

05-05-2003 19:26:27




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Come on now G-man. You know what they say. "There is no replacement for displacement" Your 2 cylinders are running nearly twice the cubes stock. I pull super and choose to run a 1936 model tractor and I know many that are winning with tractors 20 years older then your new gen deeres. So what difference is that one year going to make?? If no one else is running newer then that why should you deere folks. Is it our fault that deere was one of the last to come out with there new gen of tractors. I pull against D series Allis and 460/560 farmalls. I have always told you that deere was outdated by 1929 and you have proven my point,By crying and whineing about the 2 cyl. tractors not having the nards to run with any other brand. Don't blame the tractor pull clubs. Blame deere for being so far behind the competition. I myself would love to see the year changed. I love to see 30xx and 40xx series deeres break cranks and spindles.

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G-MAN

05-06-2003 07:37:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOLINE U 80-100 HP QUESTION--THINKING ABOUT PULLING in reply to CASEPOWER, 05-05-2003 19:26:27  
Like I said, I can't figure out why so many people complain about those obsolete old two-cylinders, but still have to build hot tractors to beat them, and complain when the rules don't let them do anything they want to do it. Next you'll be telling me that your CC will outpull a 4620 because Case had a four-cylinder before Deere. And I still can't figure out how Deere sold so many more of those obsolete tractors than Case did of their "modern" ones....

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CASEPOWER

05-06-2003 08:08:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOLINE U 80-100 HP QUESTION--THINKING ABOUT PULLING in reply to G-MAN, 05-06-2003 07:37:46  
Were do you get that folks build high dollar tractors to beat deeres. In the upper classes like super and div 5 there are no deeres. Folks are spending the $$ to beat other 4 cyl. tractors. My competition is Allis, farmall, and oliver. I don't remember a deere being in my class except one time and I believe the sled pulled the tractor backwards and the puller ended up with like -30 feet. I think I will go to the results and see how many deeres are winning or even pulling in div. 5. When you build a tractor better it cost more to build just like MM and Case did for all them years. Eventually the cheap through away junk is going to stay in buisness and the quality in products are lost. Deere has been doing it for years. Why don't you quit compaining about the 2 cylinder deeres not being able to compete and buy you a real tractor.

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G-MAN

05-06-2003 10:46:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOLINE U 80-100 HP QUESTION--THINKING ABOUT PULLING in reply to CASEPOWER, 05-06-2003 08:08:01  
You're the one crying, not me. I have Deeres because I like Deeres. I'm not the one that couldn't make an "R" run well enough to win, then decided to build a Case.



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CASEPOWER

05-06-2003 11:15:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOLINE U 80-100 HP QUESTION--THINKING ABOUT PULLING in reply to G-MAN, 05-06-2003 10:46:47  
I had my case long before the R. The R won a trophy in all but one of the pulls I went to. I pulled 3 different sleds. The heavy sled on the hard track that I like and perfer to pull my Case on showed just how much of a joke the R was. My R ran as good as any R, but it was still a under powered tractor for it's weight. If you pull a stock R and you don't power out it was because the chain on the sled was short or the track was crap. It's bad when I can get as much HP out of a Case that weighs 3500 pounds with all stock parts as a R diesel. Your complaining about the 1960 year change. I wish they would change it, but again it's not my fault that deere was so far behind on there design. If it were up to me they would have had 4 cyl. tractors in 1929. Maybe they should have stuck with there plows and left the tractors to companies that really knew what they were doing. I can just see all them plow engineers shakeing in there boots when that first waterloo boy rolled in the shop. Long after other manufactures were designing and building tractors.

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G Taylor

05-08-2003 08:59:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOLINE U 80-100 HP QUESTION--THINKING ABOUT PULLING in reply to CASEPOWER, 05-06-2003 11:15:55  
If you pull the large chassis R,80,820,830,840 why bother with the early "R" design? The 80 and better yet 820 blackdash and later will out power an "R". Even a bone stock 80/green dash 820 will spin out in creeper in the 12,000lb class on hard clay. Seems there were pleny of happy "R" owners in the west working thousands of acres on less diesel per acre than anyone else.



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G-MAN

05-08-2003 15:47:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOLINE U 80-100 HP QUESTION--THINKING ABOUT PULLING in reply to G Taylor, 05-08-2003 08:59:55  
Casepower is one of those pullers that doesn't believe it's real tractor pulling unless you're going 10 mph down the track. He also has little use for old tractors other than pulling and parting them out for a source of income. He's certainly entitled to his opinion, but there will always be more pullers on our side of the fence than his. Although it's more expensive to pull in the "super" classes, I imagine it's generally easier to win. Far less competition, you know.

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G-MAN

05-06-2003 15:59:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOLINE U 80-100 HP QUESTION--THINKING ABOUT PULLING in reply to CASEPOWER, 05-06-2003 11:15:55  
Man it's easy to get you going, lol.



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