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CASEPOWER

07-09-2003 19:00:08

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Why are they so slow?? Why does it take twice the time to complete the same amount of work?? Why don't they have seperate pulls for the deeres so we can all go home earlier so the pulls won't last hours more then they should?? Why did they advertize better fuel per acre and never told the farmers it took twice as time per acre to plow?? Why didn't they fix the flywheel problem in the 20s instead of fixing it by going to the new gen. tractors in the 60s?

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Tyler Neff

08-11-2003 14:45:54

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

SON YOUR A LOAD THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SWALLOWED

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Buy a John Deere

07-18-2003 18:11:56

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Anybody who is talking bad about a John Deere is wasting there breath and there time. Why don't you stop your crying and shove your Farmall and Case tractor out into a pond and go buy a John Deere and be happy. End of story.

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buickanddeere

07-13-2003 10:38:06

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

It has to tough on the non Deere collectors and persons with warm fuzzy memories of Dad,Uncle or Grandpappy and their Farmall etc. Now to be humiliated by their brand being a Heinz 57 Variety owned by goodness only knows who. No wonder they want to take a kick at Deere where ever they can. It's just Human nature rivalry mixed with being insulted. By the way, how can some of you have the gall to call names but have to b*lls to post your address. Get out from behind your Mama's skirt sonny.

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REDMAN

07-12-2003 08:25:06

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

I've read all of the words of wisdom that i can take,it all started with a couple of questions and everybody got their undies in a bunch.I can't remember all of them but i remember one that said JD is the best ever,that is a opinion,I think when it comes to all around durability IH has them beat.the last JD to hold a grand national title in the SS class was in the 70's.so if you want to argue let's do it,who's right?it all depends on who you are taking to and what side of the fence they are standing on.

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Bill

07-12-2003 19:44:22

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to REDMAN, 07-12-2003 08:25:06

I thought those MI boys won the alchol title last year on a deere

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farmallgod

07-12-2003 05:03:37

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Go back to the tractor bashing board and leave the intelligent conversation to us. Who cares why they are sooooo o slow. Why don't you call John Deere and ask them?

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JD A Puller

07-11-2003 22:17:34

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

I am 15 and i pull a 1951 A John Deere and i admit its slow in first gear but i dont pulll in first gear i pull all open with it. it doesnt really matter how fast u go its how many horses ur motor is kickin out.my A will and has beat several cases before so just because u can break the speed limit doesnt mean a thing.Thats not the point of tractor pulling,its how far u can get down the track before u spin out not power out just to see how fast u can go!!!

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DocJoe

07-11-2003 20:24:32

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Casepower, don't know what part of the country your from or your JD buddies. But I'd like to extend an invitation for you to come to northeast missouri and pull, we have a few cases in our neighborhood that will try your JD's out. They range from antiques to ss tractors if interested I will let you know time date and places of pulls.
P.S. I have a 900 case!

DocJoe

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tyler neff

08-11-2003 15:04:17

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to DocJoe, 07-11-2003 20:24:32

Well aint u just Mr. BIG DICK

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jcm

07-11-2003 14:56:01

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

I kind of like it when a deere (2cyl) is pullin'..it gives me a chance to grab a hotdog and coke comeback and haven't missed anything.

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A CASE of Bad Judgement!!

07-11-2003 08:59:34

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

That's what a Case is.

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YOU NEED MORE SUNLIGHT!!!

07-11-2003 06:02:01

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

It's the old song and dance!!! You always bash something that is better than what you have! John Deere has always been the best, and will continue to be! That's it, end of story, so accept it!! HE WHO LAUGHS LAST, LAUGHS BEST!!!

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Delete this waste of spac

07-10-2003 21:56:17

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Both sides of this debate have their points, but they have just posted facts that support their opinionated ideas-believes. This is the USA and it is your right to do so but some of us would like to use this board for info and helpful ideas if I want to look at BS I'd walk to the barn yard, Grow up people.

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07-11-2003 19:01:02

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to Delete this waste of spac, 07-10-2003 21:56:17

god bless the USA

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JD-Tractor in NY

07-10-2003 20:23:24

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Boy!!! you guys all really get radical most of what is posted by all of you is B_LL s and you know it Come see my litle John Deere B pull 3-14's full depth in third gear y'all come on down

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muleskinner

07-14-2003 18:32:10

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to JD-Tractor in NY, 07-10-2003 20:23:24

CASEPOWER I just bought my grandson a 43 jd b how do I fix it up? email me

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junkyard dog ny

08-05-2003 17:16:58

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to muleskinner, 07-14-2003 18:32:10

question ? how do you get 10 more h.p.
out of a jd b?
answer hook another one in front

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Bill

07-10-2003 18:30:00

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Well at least i think you have gotten the most responeses from a single post on this site. Too bad those JD boys cant take a joke must be they are too used to owning one.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 18:47:19

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to Bill, 07-10-2003 18:30:00

I enjoy it. It's a shame they take such offence. They wouldn't last long on the bashing board.

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buickanddeere.....differe

07-10-2003 17:30:00

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Have a look back in this site for Farmall Flogger etc with the same author/address. The poor child is crying out for attention with his stories.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 17:44:10

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to buickanddeere.....differe, 07-10-2003 17:30:00

You gotta get off the bottle. I am CASEPOWER. Fogger is someone else. I just want answers..

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Jack

07-10-2003 14:52:52

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

JD's have gearing too and you know full well with all that piston travel and stroke that they are not capable of lots of rpm's(you know this already,thats just they were designed)but you can grab another gear.I was at a plow day a few weeks ago and I believe there was a JD 70 with a three bottom,three 16's plow that had to wait on the others because it was traveling in third with quite a bit of ground speed and could have done it in fourth,I know this because I drove it a few rounds myself.And,wasn't it a 70 diesel that set the Nebraska test on fuel economy?Hey CASEMAN,I like Cases also but prefer the feel and sound of a Deere(Harley vs Honda for example).If you like speed,why don't you build a 2590 smoker and really turn up the r's?I have been to several pulls and watched them Cases run with a certain person's engine in them and I admit,they steal the show.Kick back and have another,it will be ok.Jack

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Hey

07-10-2003 16:58:42

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to Jack, 07-10-2003 14:52:52

Why dont you answer the question about the big R you supposedly built? 3Mains, twin turbos, all that???

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 17:41:44

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to Hey, 07-10-2003 16:58:42

No one ever built that tractor. That was a joke from last year. We've told 100s of other lies since then.

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2 cyl pwr

07-10-2003 12:29:24

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

i dont care how fast you go down the track. all that matters is that my JD will be in front of that CASE of yours. the last time i went to a tractor pull( that is what we are talking about isnt it????) we are not drag racing here!!! maybe you got the two confused. i hope that is what the problem is here. so now that we have that straightened out weight that Case on up and lets see what it is made out of!!!!! !!!! pound for pound i think the old slowwwww Deere will win!!!!! !!!!! !!!!just my two cents worth!! now lets start talking tractor pulling and not tractor bashing!!! let the track and tractor do the talking and not your mouth!!!!! !!!!

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farmallmd

07-10-2003 11:33:57

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

I hooked my super md to a disc that was being pulled by a 3020 with a fresh rebuilt motor and a power shift trans. I just wanted to see how it would measure up and it pulled that disk just as fast if 4th gear as that deere was maybe even faster. I was really impressed that is one strong tractor. bought it at a auction for 650 dollars with 4 flat tires and no seat. The original owner died 20 years ago and the tractor has sat out side since. I bled the pump put on new front tires, filled the rears, and changed the oil. hooked a john deere b to it to get it started. Put the md in 5th gear diesel operation and the deere had trouble pulling it. before I go farther the engine was free I could turn it by hand. So I hooked a farmall h to it and got it started no problem. 20 yrs no smoke doesn't burn a drop of oil tractor is 100% mechanical. and still pulled that disk as well as a freshy 3020.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 08:25:38

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

I guess I will just go back to the bashing board. I can't get no answers here!!

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I've got the answer!!!

07-10-2003 09:18:54

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 08:25:38

If you seem to know it all, where were you when BIG BAD HIGH SPEED case/international was going under and got SWALLOWED UP in the big buyout that makes them a FOREIGN company NOW. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE ANSWERS TO YOUR OWN QUESTIONS. And besides your just pouting because you got out pulled by one of them American made John Deere's going 3mph.

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REDMAN

07-11-2003 12:09:17

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to I've got the answer!!!, 07-10-2003 09:18:54

maybe you think you got the answers,but i've got a news flash just for you.the only reason jd never got swallowed up is because the good ol' us government wouldn't allow it,have you ever heard of a monopoly?they where the last original tractor manufacturer to go without being bought out by another company.and by the way case/ih is still made right here in the u.s.a. with the head office in racine wi.

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FOREIGN regardless of whe

07-12-2003 05:30:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to REDMAN, 07-11-2003 12:09:17

I don't care where its office is, its still owned by a FOREIGN COMPANY!!!!

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REDMAN

07-12-2003 08:12:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to FOREIGN regardless of whe, 07-12-2003 05:30:40

just how many deeres are made out of the states?

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pure obsession

07-10-2003 15:36:41

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to I've got the answer!!!, 07-10-2003 09:18:54

Just to let you know, the gang green tractors are made in France, not exactly American. And CaseIH was bought out by New Holland, which was an American company until '94. But at least the New Holland tractors are built in England.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 09:36:18

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to I've got the answer!!!, 07-10-2003 09:18:54

I could care less who owns Case now. Or deere for that matter. The fact that deere would stay in buisness is what I can't understand. I would refuse to bring my tractors to the low through away standards of todays market. Have you been by your local deere dealer lately?? Did you have to figure out the maze to the counter climbing around all the lawn mowers?? I bet there are twice as many Yanmar engines sitting at your dealer then deere engines. You need to preach to deere not the companies that are not importing the crap like Case, Allis, MM, Farmall.

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a puller

07-10-2003 10:25:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 09:36:18

they can't import, there outta business!!

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Ownership Pride

07-10-2003 08:37:04

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 08:25:38

Casepower, I remember seeing a picture of your Case that you posted. Kind of reminds me of the man that had such a ugly wife that he carried her everwhere he went just so he would not have to kiss her goodby.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 09:30:14

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to Ownership Pride, 07-10-2003 08:37:04

I'm still laughing at that one. I really don't care what you think of how my tractor looks. At least when I pull it folks don't have to look at it for 10 minutes going down the track.

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2 cyl pwr

07-10-2003 12:13:13

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 09:30:14

its a good thing with the way that CASE looks!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 13:04:49

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to 2 cyl pwr, 07-10-2003 12:13:13

I will tell you the same thing. Put your Deere in div. 5 or super and see how it does on the track. I can post a link to the NATPA points if you would like to see how the deeres do..

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2 cylinder

07-11-2003 05:51:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions de in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 13:04:49

Put your Case in Division 1,2,or 3 and see how it does! It's easy to pull and win against tractors of lesser horsepower! I regularly out pull or pull just as well as the tractors with twice my horsepower in 3.5 to 5 mph classes.

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REDMAN

07-11-2003 12:14:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions in reply to 2 cylinder, 07-11-2003 05:51:50

i would really like to know your secret,just how do you out pull a tractor with twice as much power with a speed limit?

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2 cylinder

07-12-2003 05:41:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere quest in reply to REDMAN, 07-11-2003 12:14:28

Well for starters, you have to really be able to drive the tractor and not just float the valves before you dump the clutch! Most people can out pull someone else when they have 2-3 times the horsepower of the competition and no limitations on it, but what fun is that, your expected to win! But when everyone is on a level playing field, then you have to be able to drive and not out muscle them with 2-3 times their horsepower.

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07-11-2003 18:57:49

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere quest in reply to REDMAN, 07-11-2003 12:14:28

DUHHHHH H...3.5 mph is limiting, or making them pull 1st gear. Which as everyone knows is not a horse power gear.

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Jack

07-10-2003 08:01:19

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Not all are slow,if you knew much about JD's than you would know that some have a creeper gear and some don't.My G has a 2.5mph first gear and with 16.9's mine will sound off the horn on a 3mph speed limit sled.I was on a JD 70 the other day and she was moving right along with a three bottom plow 16's in third gear in tough ground.I admit the late A's and B's do take a while going down the track but you don't have to do much to them to make them pull and for some they don't have to dig deep into thier pockets to have a good time.Thats what it's all about is it not?Have fun.

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 07:55:46

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Have you ever actually done any field work with a two-cylinder, or are you basing all this on your usual view of the entire world as a pulling track? For that matter, have you even farmed with your beloved Cases? I was under the impression that you just had tractors as toys, not as actual working machines. When you've actually done some field work and know something about tractors besides on-track performance, we'll talk...

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 08:06:49

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 07:55:46

Well Mr. G-man tractor god!! I just knew when I seen that you had posted that my worries were over and that all the questions I had would be clearly answered and I would have to look no further. I guess working for deere and claiming to be a expert just don't fit in this category. I spose ifn you knowed the answers you would have posted them so it will do me no good to talk to ya later.

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 10:32:05

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 08:06:49

I've never claimed to be an expert on anything, unlike yourself. In fact, the definition of expert goes something like this: an "ex" is a has-been, and a "spurt" is a drip under pressure. Sums you up pretty well, doesn't it? I just find it interesting how someone that doesn't pull Deeres anymore, and has never spent an hour on one in a field seems to know so much about them. Then again, you're also the same guy that couldn't find a replacement balancer drive gear for a 3010, and couldn't figure out why 2010 main bearings don't come in sets. You'd better stick to Cases, because I could see you screwing up any Deere you touch...

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 13:10:18

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 10:32:05

HaHa this comeing from a genius that works as a tech at a dealer and sends his simple 2 cyl.carbs off to be rebuilt. Makes me laugh just thinking about it. The worst part is the fact that you build carbs for others you say then send yours out. ROFLMAO book boy

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JDGnut

07-10-2003 06:52:13

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

And I thought U were the one with the JD R with 3 mains, Twin Turbos and 400+ HP??? JDGnut

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Case?

07-10-2003 06:46:52

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Why isnt Case still in business?? I believe Deere has never sold out. Gotta be something there

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a puller

07-10-2003 07:40:38

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to Case?, 07-10-2003 06:46:52

I believe they still kindof are, since they bought out International. I still believer John Deere is 3 times the tractor and equipment of all them. if you want to just pull, sure, case would work, but for farming, where you gonna get parts? I believe JD is the best compeditor since the 50's and after.

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 07:57:43

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to a puller, 07-10-2003 07:40:38

Yeah, except for the fact that Case was bought out by Tenneco (a petroleum company) years before they purchased IH, and that they have since been acquired/merged with New Holland to form CNH. Case as a pure corporation is every bit as dead as all of the other roadkill along the highway of ag manufacturers. The only two original players left are Cat and Deere.

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Mark

07-22-2003 09:35:52

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 07:57:43

I believe Cat sold their AG tractor line to AGCO a year or two ago.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 08:17:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 07:57:43

And what has that got to do with antique tractors and more importanly my original post??

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 10:33:31

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 08:17:35

Go back and read "a puller's" post and see if you can figure it out.

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N/A

07-10-2003 20:08:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions de in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 10:33:31

I always thought CASE stood for
"Can't Afford Something Else"

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geb

07-10-2003 06:37:33

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

You really know how to dial their number (and they answered).

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 08:00:50

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to geb, 07-10-2003 06:37:33

AW, just a little friendly discussion with my deere friends geb!! Hope to see you at the pull this weekend.

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What's your point?

07-10-2003 05:47:59

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Mr. Casepower, I looked up the definition of "Jerk" in the dictionary and there was your picture and I might add egotistical. I will start with History 101 so maybe even you can understand. NO equipment company has provided more for us farmers over such a period of time that JD has. You think maybe they have done something right?

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REDMAN

07-11-2003 12:29:36

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to What's your point?, 07-10-2003 05:47:59

I would really like to know what JD did for us farmers.as i recall they seemed to follow everyone pretty well.didn't get into the steam,didn't make the first self propelled combine.didn't make the first 4 wheel drive.And they still don't make their own engines for the 4 wheel drives.boy they sure have done alot,for a few years they even bought engines from cummins,and if you check i'm sure you will find cummins is part of cnh.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 07:45:26

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to What's your point?, 07-10-2003 05:47:59

History 101?? You might want to buy a book. Were were deeres steamers?? What about there Threshers?? How come they were out sold by Farmall every year till the 1960s?? My opinion is what they sold was because of shadey marketing. Why don't you just answer the questions I posted and just teach this Jerk something.

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bob

07-10-2003 08:05:37

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 07:45:26

You asked five questions, here are five answers.
1. It doesn't matter
2. We don't care
3. Because that's the way it is
4. You must have been drinking too much
5. You obviously don't have anything productive to do.

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History Teacher

07-10-2003 07:57:27

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 07:45:26

Mr Casepower, When you pick up your History 101 texbook I would suggest to also pick up a Spelling book 101.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 08:12:22

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to History Teacher, 07-10-2003 07:57:27

All come on. You get mad because you can't answer my questions and you start crying about the fact that I came from a holler 35 miles from a gas station and spelling was the last thing on my mind. Maybe you should pick up a reading book so you can understand what I a writeing!!

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Chris L

07-10-2003 04:36:39

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

Another reason why they don't go so fast is because they only turn around 1800 rpms. They get better fuel economy because they have half the cylinders other tractors do and they turn half the rpms other tractors do.

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 07:59:10

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to Chris L, 07-10-2003 04:36:39

Waterloo two-cylinders never turned anywhere near 1800 rpm. Rated RPM on "A"s, "G"s and the like is 975. The later number tractors had higher rated speeds, but still nowhere near 1800 rpm.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 07:39:07

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to Chris L, 07-10-2003 04:36:39

My factory RPMs is 1100 on my CC and it still plowed 1/2 mph faster thats 4 miles a day or 20 miles more plowed in a 40 hour week. So I aint buying it.

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 08:00:33

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 07:39:07

Uhh, which part of your farm were you plowing, or is this just b.s. out of some book? And how fast are you spinning that poor old Case to make it competitive on the pulling track? Still trying to make people believe that you pull 12 mph?

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 08:20:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 08:00:33

When you have some pulling under your belt and I aint talking about 2 mph shaking all the way deere pulling. I mean some real pulling let me know then and only then will we talk.

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 10:36:16

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 08:20:45

Yeah, I wouldn't understand what pulling is all about. My pulling experience is limited to a Farmall "M" and a '69 Chevy 3/4 ton 4x4 running a small-block on nitrous. I once got second in a class of 15 trucks, and I guarantee I was going faster than your top speed of 5 mph. Hows that CC doing in those classes of four or five tractors? Real pulling - don't make me laugh.

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Spectator

07-10-2003 11:01:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions de in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 10:36:16

G-Man, don't be to harsh on Casepower I saw him get a 3rd out of a field of 5.(the 1st and 2nd place tractors got DQ'ed for excessive horn blowing- they could not hear it) so that moved him from 5th to 3rd.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 13:36:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions in reply to Spectator, 07-10-2003 11:01:39

How did you do that day JDROOSTER??

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 13:16:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions in reply to Spectator, 07-10-2003 11:01:39

I run 8 mph in 1st gear and sometimes pull second so you figure it out. I am running totally stock parts against tractors they have $10,000+ in there engines so I am very happy with my tractor. As soon as I finish up the other engine I will be even happier. By the way how many deeres were in that class??

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a puller

07-10-2003 09:28:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 08:20:45

put that case up against a 3010D JD and then we can talk too.

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a puller

07-10-2003 07:47:27

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 07:39:07

how big of a plow does it use? what year??
how much gas do you used in a day?

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 07:54:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to a puller, 07-10-2003 07:47:27

Just as deere folk do I see your questions but you don't ask how much do you get done in a day. If I do 40 acres and use twice the fuel as someone that does 15 acres then what does how much fuel you use have to do with it??

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HOW MANY BOTTOM???

07-10-2003 08:02:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 07:54:23

what is the horsepower of this machine and how many bottom plow does it pull. this will allow me to answer.

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 08:23:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions de in reply to HOW MANY BOTTOM???, 07-10-2003 08:02:37

It's a 1921 Case 40-72 pulling 12 bottoms. Why are deeres so slow?? Some one mentioned to make up for lack of horseys is it true??

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a puller

07-10-2003 09:05:54

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 08:23:36

well, if your saying that big, they had nothing that long ago that big. if you talk bout your JD a's and G's and stuff of the like size, JD is pretty good. look at the JD 730D. it pulls a 4-18's in 3rd or 4th. it's pretty economical for its time too.

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REDMAN

07-11-2003 12:37:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere quest in reply to a puller, 07-10-2003 09:05:54

I think you need a history book,the steamers pulled bigger plows than that.I have a book here that shows a titan pulling 36 bottoms.

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jd a puller

07-09-2003 21:17:53

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

doesn't matter how fast you go, its how FAR you go!!!!! I can kick the s*** out of 460 and 560 farmalls with my 1945 A. No its not stock but some of us know how to make them run!!!!

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supermpuller4

07-10-2003 10:01:30

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to jd a puller, 07-09-2003 21:17:53

I don't care what you did to a JD A, you couldn't beat a IH M let alone a 460. Last pull I went to a MTA kicked a 4020's, butt in the 8500 class.

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JD 70

07-16-2003 18:49:19

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to supermpuller4, 07-10-2003 10:01:30

Hey fellas. It all boils down to this a farmall or case is worth $2000 while almost any JD is worth 3 times that much

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a puller

07-10-2003 10:24:07

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to supermpuller4, 07-10-2003 10:01:30

those pulls are few and far between, the mta slipped in there....come around here and try to kick all of the 4010/4020's .

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 07:48:58

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to jd a puller, 07-09-2003 21:17:53

Put it in div. 5 or a 12 mph class and let me know how you do!!!

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 10:38:14

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 07:48:58

Answer the question you keep dodging, boy. Just how fast are you pulling? A 12 mph class doesn't mean you're going that fast. My guess is you're going more like 4.5-5.0. Can you prove me wrong?

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 13:46:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 10:38:14

Like I said. I pull 8 mph in first. I can't go any slower till I start lugging. I pull second sometimes if the track is loose. Thats fact not BS.. I told you before that is why I couldn't pull that tractor in stock. I sounded the horn in 5 mph farm class with no problem when I was running 26" tires and I am running 38" now. Now that I have answered your questions answer the original post.

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a puller

07-09-2003 19:51:11

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

they dont if the people know what they are doing. alot of people don't do any work to them and in an antique class you can't go like a madman anyways. you say it took them twice as long in the fields, well, I'm sorry, but that ain't true, we used a JD A for spraying and it was almost as fast as our 4020D. We also used a JD 70 gas for spreading fertilizer, and it took us the same time as a 3020 gas, and cheaper on gas then the 3020. 2 cylinders were one of the better tractors on a small farm. you might think case was better, well, where are they today compared to JD. there BELOW.

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farmallmd

07-10-2003 11:12:09

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to a puller, 07-09-2003 19:51:11

you guys are missing the point none of your tractors can measure up to IH. Regardless of who is still in bussiness is do to management and deere had good management. IH didn't nor Case, oliver, ect. but back to tractors IH had the best tractors then and the facts are in history to prove it.

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 16:29:49

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to farmallmd, 07-10-2003 11:12:09

Oh yes, IH had the best tractors. Particularly the 560, for which they had to go out in the country and set up tents to fix all of the rear-end failures. At one point, IH did build a heck of a fine tractor. The "M" is right up there on the list of the best tractors ever made (although they aren't near as strong in the trans and rear-end as a JD "G"), but IH chose to rest on their laurels, rather than innovating and developing new products. They put the 560 out, knowing full well that the rear-ends were marginal for that horsepower level. You can call it bad management, but the fact is that IH put themselves in the grave, and a few bad apples also did their fair share. Their continuing use of the TA, after others had developed very reliable powershifts also helped end them. I've heard that TAs will last forever when used properly. But tell me what farm you've ever been on where the operator's manual has been followed to a "T" without fail? The management excuse grows old, because without good management, everything else is a waste of time. You can't build a good product WITHOUT good management. They had major failures because of their management, not in spite of it. When the Deere New Gens came out, the nails were already going into IH's coffin. Their attempt to go toe-to-toe with Cat in the industrial/construction markets also contributed to their ruin. I grew up on red tractors, and hated to see them bought out, even though I was only 8 years old or so. But, they did it to themselves, and the end result is still the same. It's a shame, but you can't change history.

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supermpuller4

07-10-2003 19:30:49

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to G-MAN, 07-10-2003 16:29:49

JD took a hit n miss engine off a washing machine and fooled people like you for 40 years. You can brag about 4020 all you want, but the old JD were outdated from the start.

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4020dt

07-10-2003 20:22:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to supermpuller4, 07-10-2003 19:30:49

I always tell the JD 2cyl lovers , collectors etc that " John Deere didn't build a tractor till the 4010 came out " , they don't like to hear that . I also said more than once that if Deere made the 2cyl models two more years they would have been out of buisiness like lots of the others .

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07-09-2003 19:50:55

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Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont answer in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-09-2003 19:00:08

not pokin fun or anything, but they may go sooooo slow to make up for the power disadvantage

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 07:58:05

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to FB, 07-09-2003 19:50:55

FB thats the only honest answer I have seen yet out of all of these posts. Twice the cubes and half the power..

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WILDMAN

07-10-2003 12:11:19

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 07:58:05

CASEPOWER WHY ARE YOU SO FIRED UP ITS NOT LIKE YOU TO BE THIS FIESTY., BUT I MUST ADMIT I MOSTLY AGREE!

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CASEPOWER

07-10-2003 13:20:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to WILDMAN, 07-10-2003 12:11:19

Just giveing the friendly deere folk a hard time. It's been a little boreing around here and I thought I would liven things up. Everyone enjoys a good argument.

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07-10-2003 19:21:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 13:20:28

I am all for putting down these JD boys since i am a farmall man and its embrassing when a stock A JD with a slow gear put puts past yah at what seems like less than a mile per hour..its all in fun though

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G-MAN

07-10-2003 10:40:24

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to CASEPOWER, 07-10-2003 07:58:05

Where do you get the half the power crap? Any Deere with X amount of horsepower is going to have the same horsepower as any Case with X amount of horsepower. You're twisted little mind confuses RPM and horsepower, when they're only loosely related. Do you live in some magic area where a Case with 45 horsepower has twice as much power as a Deere with 45 horsepower? Maybe you're drunk and seeing double...

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buickanddeere

07-09-2003 20:50:36

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Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys wont an in reply to FB, 07-09-2003 19:50:55

Deere really irks you fans of the broke and bought out brands. That a two cylinder is worth more as a collectors item, can do more work( HP) on less fuel in the field and it's serious competition on the track. Now go back to bed and have Mommy bring you a drink of water and tuck you in. Kids with idle time on thier hands again this summer too.

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David

07-10-2003 11:06:55

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2003 20:50:36

You John Deere boys are funny. More work with less fuel, that makes me laugh. I've done work in the fields on a putt-putt for my father-in-law on his JD60. When I was in high school, I worked on a farm that had a Farmall M. I thought it was the most gutless tractor ever until I married my wife and worked that 60. Now I am convinced the 60 was the most gutless. It made that M look like a super stock. The 60 would use alot more fuel than the inlaws WD9 but only get half as much work done. I had a friend in high school who was a BIG John Deere nut (still is) that had a restored 720 diesel. It sure wasn't a power tractor either. I went and saw him one day while he was plowing and he was really working that 720 hard with a 3-14" plow. No where near 3rd or 4th that was mentioned above. This was in heavy soil. Maybe if he was plowing on a beach, he could run 3rd or 4th. As for putt-putts being more collectable, that's all they are good for. I sure wouldn't want to farm or pull with one. They sure look pretty all painted up sitting in a barn or being hauled on trailers. Don't everybody get upset, I do have a John Deere, just a modern compact utility that does have a Yanmar engine in it. Great and handy little tractor. I like all tractors, just when it comes to working them, I will stay away from the putt-putts.

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a puller

07-10-2003 18:02:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to David , 07-10-2003 11:06:55

a JD 730D with .090 in it I watched it pull a 4 bottom plow in 3rd gear. this isn't blow sand by anymeans, it's mid-michigan soil.

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buickanddeere..har har ha

07-10-2003 16:00:31

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to David , 07-10-2003 11:06:55

Sorry sonny, you are a liar teliing half truths at best. Now get off the computer before Mommy catches you too. IH,Case,Massey,Minnie etc went bust because they couldn't measure up to Deere. Get over it.

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REDMAN

07-11-2003 12:53:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to buickanddeere..har har ha, 07-10-2003 16:00:31

get a clue,just how many acres do you farm,we only run about 3000.had deere once,didn't like it
went back to red,much better.ih may not be american owned,but the jobs are still in the states building them,and they seem to be setting the pace again.Before you coment get some data on who owns what share of the market now,seems as if nobody cares who owns case/ih/new holland.

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David

07-10-2003 16:41:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to buickanddeere..har har ha, 07-10-2003 16:00:31

Do you know me? Where you there when all of this that I said happened? I am not a liar, have never been. Your just too blind to see the truth. John Deere putt-putts were (and still are) inferior tractors to the competition. The competition went out of business because of bad management, NOT from so called superior tractors from John Deere. I do believe back in the 80's that John Deere almost went bust also. I was on a factory tour in Waterloo when John Deere's own spokesperson said in the early 80's they didn't have room to store anymore tractors off of the production lines because they were not selling. So put that in your pipe and smoke it!

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buickanddeere

07-10-2003 17:38:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions de in reply to David , 07-10-2003 16:41:56

And where is Deere now? Who were all those companies who went bust and now part of Heintz 57 Variety Company now? I dare say the 20 and 30 two cylnder series can still make a fair showing against the latest and greatest in many areas. 45 years later, now less. Get over it, Daddy's and Grandpappies favorite tractors have gone extinct. As to who has been smoking what before posting on this board..... ..... ...

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David

07-10-2003 18:33:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions in reply to buickanddeere, 07-10-2003 17:38:50

Just because Deere is still around today doesn't mean they had the best product. There were alot of companies around (not just in agriculture) that had better products than their competitors but still went under. Bad marketing and management will always kill a good product. Any old tractor will outclass any modern (80's and newer) tractor any day of the week.

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stuart martin

07-15-2003 20:22:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere quest in reply to David , 07-10-2003 18:33:45

AFter the 4020 came out none EVER caught up to DEERE. Every time some one does catch up deere is 5 years ahead of them. By the way if IH is so good how come some else had to by them up?

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Fuel economy?

07-09-2003 21:40:49

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Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys won in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2003 20:50:36

It seems to me that I read somewhere that a case 400 gas set the record for fuel economy at nebraska. Now there is a tractor.

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buickanddeere

07-10-2003 17:01:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to Fuel economy?, 07-09-2003 21:40:49

What were the Nebraska test result numbers? It would be tough to out perform the 620 gas or the 520.

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2 cylinder

07-10-2003 08:55:18

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to Fuel economy?, 07-09-2003 21:40:49

I believe that was the John Deere 720 Diesel that set the fuel economy record.

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Ohio Case

07-10-2003 04:17:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere boys in reply to Fuel economy?, 07-09-2003 21:40:49

Well as I saw on a T-shirt one day..... " Nothing runs like a Deere, When it see's a Case"

Just poking a little fun at the green ones!!!!

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Family Tradition

07-11-2003 07:45:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 cyl deere questions deere in reply to Ohio Case, 07-10-2003 04:17:32

opinions are just like an a$$hole, everyone has one and I can not believe I just sit here and read all this B.S.! If you wanna compare them in the field, do it! If you wanna compare them on the track, do it! If you wanna compare management, do it! But stop wasting space and time on this board, children!

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