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Questional Behavior???

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ChadS

07-31-2003 16:50:51




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I hate starting controversey, I like to solve it instead of creating it. (whenever possible) Anyway, last night at our pull we had a fight break out over a rpm check. I would like a few comments and help on how to help our club get along a little better. Any suggestions would be helpful!!! So, here's what happened:::

To give a little background, our club is struggling to keep our 10%rpm rule into effect. The problem is that the board of directors have no procedure to check rpms, Unfortunately, They chase a puller down like police would a criminal! By doing this that way it does nothing but single out people and make them upset because they fell like they are being picked on. Everyone who has had this happen to them, knows what I am talking about. This is the way it goes in our club. Probably many other organizations are like this as well. My point is this. Since our club has no stated procedure for checking rpms, they should change the rules to enforce a rpm policy so its fair for everyone!!! I belive that an organization must be strong, and faithful to its own, to a certain extent.

So, the driver got chased down and his rpms checked. the driver opens the throttle, the rpms are checked, and idles the tractor down. Without warning, and without permission from the driver, the board member checking the rpms, grabs the throttle and opens it up! The driver got upset, due to the lack of courtacy from the director, the driver removed the board members hand by a light slap, and idles it back down. (the rpms were right on the money) Anyway, the board member got mad and started hassling the driver, soon a fight breaks out, an emergency board meeting is called to order, and the board member states his case. Complety opposite story of what actually happened. (There is always a different story between versions) So, the driver is asked to leave and barred forever from the club! First time that has ever happened in a 18 year history! Anyway, a major scene for all of our spectators to wittness! I personally belive that the driver was railroaded! He did not have an oportunity to appeal a decision by the board!

POSSIBLE RESOLUTION::: This is just my opinion! A procedure must be adopted for checking rpms at a pull. Either check them when they finish pulling, as soon as the tractor crosses the scales. Or, check the top 5 winners in each class. Either way everyone is checked, disqualified, or approved, to continue to compete, and it is fair for everyone!!! What do you all think? I hope our club figures something out, soon, because we are losing pullers due to their techniques! Any sugestion, comment is welcome, maybe together, we the pullers can take a stand and solve hostility between us!! Pullers and the board! The pullers do have a voice! FULL PULLS!!! ChadS

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buckmaster 700

08-03-2003 08:29:47




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 Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2003 16:50:51  
what about a diesel aint no plug wires how do you check



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ChadS

08-03-2003 12:51:50




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 Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to buckmaster 700, 08-03-2003 08:29:47  
They put a sticker on the front pulley on the engine, the tack picks up the signal and reads the rpms. ChadS



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AC

08-01-2003 13:55:54




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 Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2003 16:50:51  
They barred him for that??? I just thought they wouldn't allow him to pull that night...? That's rediculous... AC



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ChadS

08-02-2003 18:30:14




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 Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to AC, 08-01-2003 13:55:54  
Yep, stupid is as stupid does. Ha Ha!! I tried to drive the tractor in question in an exhibition pull, and they said ok. and then the board member that got into the fight, said that I could not. Bias!!! Oh well, if it was my tractor, it would take alot more than that to barr me from the club. Not to sound negative. Our club just need guidence. I hope they get it worked out soon. ChadS



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a puller

07-31-2003 21:18:34




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 Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2003 16:50:51  
Why do you guys have rpm limits? We have alot of tractors at our pulls and none have rpm limits. I'd say do away with it..or dont' let them run over 2500rpm, and if so..then they have to have stuff approved, but we have rapped a JD G around 3g's and it holds fine and has been together for over 15 years, and has the same flywheel and all stock parts..except it has a flathead and .090 pistons.



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This is why we have RPM L

08-04-2003 09:00:24




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 Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to a puller, 07-31-2003 21:18:34  
Source: Sarah Hoye, Herald-Leader Staff Writer
A Springfield man was killed early yesterday morning when he was struck by flying debris at a tractor pull at the Marion County Fair.Barney Allen Warner, 50, was sitting on a fence when a tractor, pulling nearly 14,000 pounds, burst in two, slinging debris, said Marion County Sheriff Carroll Kirkland.Mr. Warner was hit in the head about 1:11 a.m., said Marion County Coroner Dick "J.R." Moraja. He was taken to North Spring View Hospital, where he was pronounced dead."I

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ChadS

08-04-2003 12:47:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to This is why we have RPM L, 08-04-2003 09:00:24  
Wow! Safety is the most important item to practice at tractor pulls. Safety eqiupment and rpm rules are in effect for a reason. Safety!! ChadS



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IN. PULLER

07-31-2003 18:30:30




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 Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2003 16:50:51  
chad we have had the same things happen, myself being one. is there really a good or bad way, the worst thing that really happens is that the board or who ever is in charge thinks they have the right to do whatever, this is not so and they need to realize this. nobody has the right to reach up and grab the throttle this will almost start a fight everytime. if you check one you check them all. most pullers know that if you pull the throttle down slow you have a good chance of being under rpm (this of course you are close to the limit or over) and most know that you pull it down fast you will most always get governor surge that puts you over. if the tractor was over he should have got a DQ told to set the rpm and that should have been that. the board member was an a$$ for what he did and the rest should be ashamed for going along with it, you don't keep friends and pullers coming back by running a pull that way. it's just like wheelie bars you can get by this time but you better be right next time.

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ChadS

08-02-2003 18:38:20




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 Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to IN. PULLER, 07-31-2003 18:30:30  
In the old days of the NIATPA, they checked rpms at a steady pace, then they quit all together for about 2 years. then they bought a new tack. And the sh!t has hit the fan ever since. I would let a tractor pull witout wheelie bars, as long as I knew he was going to be safe, and not endanger safety. Our farmstock class does not require tip bars. the mods do. I recommended to the club that we look at NATPA protocol, to give them an idea where to start applying cretain rules the right way. Noone likes to have their rpms checked at random. If they knew that the rpms are going to be constanly checked, they would keep them right. ChadS

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DONKSTER

07-31-2003 17:37:10




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 Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2003 16:50:51  
THE WAY WE DO IT HERE IS IF YOUR TRACTOR TURNS MORE THAN 10% YOU GOTTA HAVE A APPROVED FLYWHEEL OR A SCATTER BLANKET, ELECTRIC FAN,AND SIDE SHIELDS. RPMS ARE CHECKED AT WEIGH IN AND WEIGH OUT WITH A PHOTO TACH ALL TRACTORS GET CHECKED.SO BASICLY ITS A RUN WHAT YOU BRING AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE SAFTY EQ.



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buickanddeere

07-31-2003 17:34:12




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 Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2003 16:50:51  
Even though everyone seen what happened personal bias and feelings over ride logic almost every time. Want to get in trouble? Just show up at a pull where no one knows you and beat the local favorites. Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.



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TimC

07-31-2003 18:59:38




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 Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to buickanddeere, 07-31-2003 17:34:12  
Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups


ROFLMAO

At the drivers meeting hand out the rules, RPM rules should be written down. It takes three to check the RPMs. One on the tach, one driver pulling the throttle and one support person checking for full throttle stop at the drivers signal.



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Bamapuller

07-31-2003 21:09:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to TimC, 07-31-2003 18:59:38  
I am a member of a local club here in N. AL. and 3 clubs in Tn. Three do spot checks and all check RPM's if there is a protest(protester's tractor checked first.)All 4 check weight and hitch after you pull. At Shelbyville, Tn. we check everyone. You weigh after you pull and have your rpm's and hitch height checked. It was a hassle the first pull or two, but after 4 years, it's no big deal anymore. We check everyone with the same gun, so if the gun is alittle off, it's the same for everyone. It's all in the rules, because of what happened at your pull. The driver pulls the gas lever back against a positive stop and the scale person reads the numbers when they settle out for a couple seconds or so. Pullers need to remember that their RPM will change between a HOT afternoon and a cool night because of air density and adjust before hitting the scales.

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right idea

08-01-2003 01:43:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to Bamapuller, 07-31-2003 21:09:05  
bama has the right idea. check EVERYONE. as soon as they come off the track check them. do this for a few pulls and things will straighten up. it worked for us. also, whoever is checking should be able to open the throttle up or at least be able to check and make sure that the throttle is wide open. you'd be surprised how many people try to sneak by and not open it all the way up.



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showcrop

08-01-2003 14:18:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to right idea, 08-01-2003 01:43:37  
why bother with RPM checks? There are guys out there that are regearing their PTOs.



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08-02-2003 16:34:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questional Behavior??? in reply to showcrop, 08-01-2003 14:18:25  
Everyone around here checks them with a timing light that hooks onto a spark plug wire. can't regear that.



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