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ChadS

10-27-2003 12:19:19




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I can't remember,,,,, I got a note from the usap not long ago,,, did they say no cut tires of any sort in the super farm stock class? Or can you cut the tops down? Any info will be great!!! ChadS




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Super Lurker

10-27-2003 12:28:05




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 Re: USAP Super farm stock question in reply to ChadS, 10-27-2003 12:19:19  
From the letter and from what John L. said-- road worn, spun on concrete, etc. was ok. Any type cutter marks or grind marks between or on front side of the lug and it was DQ.



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rraymond

10-27-2003 13:14:14




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 Re: Re: USAP Super farm stock question in reply to Super Lurker, 10-27-2003 12:28:05  
WE CUT OURS WITH A PLANER THAT SHOW NO MARKS,I THOUGHT THEY WERE CRAZY FOR LETTING PEOPLE SHAPE THE BACKSIDE OF TIRES UNTIL I STARTED LOOKING AT TIRES EVERYWHERE WE WENT, I QUESS THEY HAD SEEN SOME I SAW THAT WERE HARD TO TELL WHAT HAD BEEN DONE TO THEM! SURE LOOKED CUT BUT I SURE WASN'T GOING TO QUESTION THE GUYS ABOUT IT. THEN A FRIEND BLOWED A TIRE OUT AND COULDN'T FIND A SET BUT BROUGHT A TIRE FROM A DEALER FOR $15.00 THAT HE COULD SHAPE IT TO MATCH HIS OTHER TIRE IT WORKED FOR HIM.MAYBE SOME TIMES WE DON'T AGREE WITH SOME DECISIONS UNTIL YOU NEED TO FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEM SURE MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER AND LESS EXPENSIVE IN THE LONG RUN. JUST MY 2 CENTS WORTH!!!!!

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ChadS

10-27-2003 13:26:21




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 Re: Re: Re: USAP Super farm stock question in reply to rraymond, 10-27-2003 13:14:14  
Thank you both. I have used a belt sander with a course belt to shape then a smooth belt to eliminate marks. Works well but time consuming. I don't intend on running a cut tire in this class. I was just trying to refresh my memory for this. But, why would they allow any kind of cut in a class like this? I thought they already had classes for cut tires.. Oh Well, can't beat em, join em????? ????? ChadS

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Who You Fooling

10-29-2003 08:27:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super farm stock question in reply to ChadS, 10-27-2003 13:26:21  
What is the difference hiding your cheating verses just letting everybody cut the tops of there tires. You guys with theses cheater tires ought to grow some hair on your back and go pull the 4MPH cut tire class where you belong. makes you look like the chicken$hit you are.



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Chads

10-29-2003 08:39:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super farm stock question in reply to Who You Fooling, 10-29-2003 08:27:22  
Who said anything about cheating? If rules state you can cut the tire they can cut the tires. We did not make the rules the organization did. I am running uncut tires. dot't matter what class I run Chads



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Sorry

10-29-2003 09:54:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super farm stock ques in reply to Chads, 10-29-2003 08:39:39  
Except my apologies as I did not know that there was such a big difference between using a belt sander on the top of your tire bar verses a grinder that leaves a identifying mark. I bet that belt sander really leaves a dull edge. I think this rule was watching out for special interest and not made in the best interest of the class. Personally I feel if the tire has been sharpened do to wear or sanding or dragging or spinning or grinding or cutting it is a cut tire in my book. But guess I don't make the rules do I. The rules should say a field worn tire only. Bars will not have a sharp edge if it does remove it or replace it. Then we would have allot more even playing field. Then your big tough H wouldn't be any better or have any more advantage than the next old stocker out of the field. Then it would be up to who is the better puller. Time will tell as to see if this new rule will bite them or not. John runs a good program but think that this one should of been thought out a little more than it was. I would bet he will get an eye opening when he see's what the tires will look like after this next season. Like they say "Opinions are like a$$holes everybody has one".

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Chads

10-29-2003 10:22:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super farm stock in reply to Sorry, 10-29-2003 09:54:45  
I agree with you as far as messing with something that does not need to be changed. I do belive that it was a special interest instead of an organization interest. My personal opinion is that the Super farm stock class was fine the way it was. For those pullers who run a div 1,2 tractor, with uncut tires. It is fair for every one,, the persons who wanted a cut tire in a stock class, to me they should be in the classes that allow it. not change over the rules just for them. Everyone has their own style of pulling a tractor. whether it has cuts or uncuts, the pullers, who want to run cuts, should be in the modified class. Because it is a modified item. I took no offence to your post sir, I am old fashioned too, I belive that if the class was working well enough, they should leave it alone and let it build,, Not change rules to acomodate certain tractors, and tires. Just my opinion,, ChadS

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Cut 'em All

10-29-2003 14:29:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super farm st in reply to Chads, 10-29-2003 10:22:17  
I guess you are telling us you want to be able to sharpen your tires and hide it with a belt sander, but don't let anyone else do it. The reason the rule was changed is because so many of you farm stock guys are cheating like this. Now everyone is allowed to do the same thing to their tires. Buy the way,if they never started non-cut classes no one would be arguing about this.



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ChadS

10-29-2003 16:43:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super far in reply to Cut 'em All, 10-29-2003 14:29:46  
Wait. I use a belt sander on my cut tires. It helps to level out the bar. I never said that I run cut tires in a non cut tire class. I don't do that, I won't do that. and still will not. I still fully intend on running non cut tires this year in the Super farm class. There is no argument. It is a discussion. We all are learning about the new rules. Adapting to them is a different story. I choose to run uncuts. That is my choice. Am I gonna complain because I get beat by a tractor that has a cut tire? No!! Iam not. But rest assured, the next year I probably will run cuts next year, we will just have to see. ChadS

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Tire-less

10-29-2003 13:34:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super farm st in reply to Chads, 10-29-2003 10:22:17  
Ditto, if it ain't broke don't fix it.



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ChadS

10-29-2003 14:53:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super far in reply to Tire-less, 10-29-2003 13:34:02  
Rule changes is one of the biggest reasons I stopped pulling with the NATPA. I toured the circuit for over 2 years, and every other pull there was someone who got deemed legal in a class they had no business being in. When a puller went to inquire about it, They got all upset because It was like questioning their athority. So, I went to the USAP. But now it seems like the same thing may happen, but, John is doing a great job. It happenes in this sport alot, someone trying to get the upper hand, and instead of doing their homework with their pulling tractors, they want the rules to bend for them and screw the rest of us. Take the ATPA, for example,, with the alcohol tractors. They were pulling them against the diesils, and soon, the rules were being changed, weight advantages, for the diesils, So then they went to a different class. These tractors are a different breed of tractors than diesils, the technology is so different, and the same technology cannot be used in a diesil. So,,, what to do??? that is why there is certain classes in pulling, rules are there to determine where a tractor belongs. keep changing rules, soon,,,, there will be a div 5 tractor type, in the super farm class. For pullers who dislike sudden rule changes,, Stand up!! And make sure your class will be protected from things like this,, otherwise it will become like the NATPA. Now,,, I do still support the NATPA, the competition is so high, and the rules are strict. I think it is a great organization, But my heart is USAP. Stand up and be heard!! Ol John will listen. Just my 2 cents again,,, ChadS

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minnieub

10-29-2003 18:01:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP Super in reply to ChadS, 10-29-2003 14:53:06  
central ohio lets you cut back side. we were surprised to see this at dekalb last year. most tractor that beat us you could see were altered some wasn't. john has a good thing going we hope to be at princton to see how this turns out.



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Puller

10-30-2003 12:32:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USAP S in reply to minnieub, 10-29-2003 18:01:22  
Central Ohio has no rules at Dekalb, It's a brush pull. Nobody on the board has enough hair on thier a$$ to do anything!!!



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