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ChadS

02-13-2004 10:06:05

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Got a amendment for our pulling rules today. It reguards tire sizes. Our club has a tire max of 15.5X38 for all row crop tractors. Thr rules now read that the western, or wheatlands are allowed to run a 16.9. Wouldn't that make an unfair advantage for those tractors? Now this is reguarding farm and field tractors, not mods, At the last meeting, they thrown out the 18.4 and 16.9's, and went back to 15.5's, A board member, who has a wheatland, was mad!! So he changed the rules again for his tractor!! and,,, did it after the rules were made, voted on, and passed out to the club members!! I guess my point is,, I could care less about the tire size, It is the politics that went behind it!! Here is an example,, when a rule needing to be changed in during the season, or anytime actually, they tell us we have to wait until the first meeting at the end of the year!! Why should they have the opportunity, to change rules when ever they feel like it, and not for the other members? Makes no sence to me. Politics,,, (sigh) Chad

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02-14-2004 05:21:08

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

What do your rules say about rim size for 14.9X38 tires? Tires say 13" rims, but as near as I can find there not available. Are 14" rims allowed in this instance, or are we required to drop down to 12" rims. I'd much rather go to 14" rims if possible. Kinda the same thing here, a few make the rules to fit what they want to do!

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BUD BARENIE

02-14-2004 04:56:54

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

MY SECOND POSTING !!!
TIRE RIM WIDTH WILL BE WATCHED CLOSELY THIS YEAR!! PULLING 15"-16"17" RIMS ON TRACTORS THIS YEAR IN STOCK CLASS WILL STOP !!! FUNKY HOME MADE WEIGHTS, LOG CHAINS TOLL BOXES NO-MORE !!1

BUT NOW WE CAN HAVE STRONG HITCHES, STROKED CRANKS, AFTERMARKET MANIFOLDS (INTAKE-EXHAUST) AND A REAL HORSE POWER BATTLE (CHAD) YOU CAN PULL YOUR MODIFIED IN FARM STOCK (WOW) THEIR ARE AT LEAST 3 GUYS GONNA PULL THEIR MODIFIEDS IN FARM STOCK THIS YEAR !!!
IS THIS PROGRESS FOR THE CLUB (I DON'T NO) BUT, HERE WE ARE !!!
TO (chad-budd-dctom) and alot of the other guy's,
your just alot of fun for me !!! it's why i pull,
you make the sport enjoyable !!! that's it!!!
the la case is on 30wheels -so i don't think it will pull. i said 30wheels, not 34, not 38's

gonna be some different tractors pull this year, i don't think it's gonna be easy for any body!!

all i know is when the motors on, and your having one of those great days (had-one) i don't care what color it is, what tire size they runnin.
you'll just drive rite by !!!!!
ohhhhh-yaaaa baby !!!!!
guy's pay attention to detail, drive your tractor and have fun !!!!
but let's not let a few cheat us out of placing higher, because their purely cheating !1!1
it's saturday morning and i'm pullin order's

at least we got rules !!!

see yaa's all soon !!!!!
good luck and fp!!!

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ChadS

02-14-2004 07:12:06

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Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to BUD BARENIE, 02-14-2004 04:56:54

Gonna keep mods in mods, and stock in stock. Since my big H is back together, I will run 2 mods, and 2 farm stock tractors. Rules will have to state that strokers are allowed, before I put a stroker in farm class, Besides, I was talking with DCtom, he gonna pull light, and rub that flambou red off on my Super H!! LOL I look forward to rubbing that Binder red off on that case!! HA HA HA. Always like pulling with/against Dctom, sounds like a very interesting year ahead. Ol Dctom kept me on my toes before, he will keep me on them again. Chad

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BUD BARENIE

02-14-2004 04:39:52

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

WELL HERE WE GO AGAIN, SOUND'S LIKE ALOT OF TEARS ARE FALLING ALL OVER THE PLACE !!
BUDD DAWSON IS RITE, THEY, AT FIRST ENTIRELY ELIMINATED THE WHEATLAND TRACTOR FROM PULLING, WHICH WAS WRONG, BUT THAT WAS FIXED WITH THE NEW TIRE RULE !!16.9-34 ARE A HARD TIRE TO FIND USED !!! IT'S STILL A HEAVY TRACTOR, AND I QUESS WE HALF TO RUN CORRECT WEIGHT'S. I REGISTERED MY OPINION TO BORAD MEMBERS, I THINK THE RULE SHOULD HAVE BEEN 15.5-38'S ALL THE WAY, PERIOD !!

MY OPINION !!!

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Dave S

02-15-2004 06:35:02

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Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to BUD BARENIE, 02-14-2004 04:39:52

Hey Bud, Dave S from WI and was wondering if you could e-mail me your rules for farm stock. I'm a friend of dctom's and hope to bring my DC down to play with you guys at least once this summer. Tire size for our club is 15.5x38 max for 3400# to 5000# and 18.4x38 for 5500# and up. Thanks, Dave S.

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JDGnut

02-13-2004 20:39:12

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

My opinion.. (for what ever its worth).. An Oliver 88 Standard... doesn't weight a whole lot more than a crop.. (yea.. the front axle.. but maybe a little less on the rear axles..) and depending on the track where U need the weight.. I know what tractor I would be looking for.... or a 70D standard.. or any of the ST... on the right track the bigger tires.... (but I have been passed up by some smaller tires... ) So who knows... but I think they should be the same for all... JDGnut

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Jeff

02-13-2004 15:50:11

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

Chad, not sure if this helps ya'll or not but around here we use a system of how many square inches of tire are on the tractor, These sizes change as you go up the weight classes kinda like the NATPA does. You can run 15.5-38's or 16.9-34's because the square inchs are both under the limit. It is not however limited to which type tractor you have. I can run either of them on my Oliver 88 rowcrop. I agree though that it shouldn't be based on tractor type. As for not getting 15.5's on a wheatland I see no reason why you can't if the rules allow pressed steel rims. If they don't bolt right up make an adapter plate.

I don't think the board should have been able to change that rule without a membership vote on it as that is what was required to change it to a 15.5 tire size only rule in the first place.

What are they considering a wheatland anyway? Any wide front or does it have to be a non-adjustable one?

Get in touch with as many of the members as you can and get a feel for what they think of it and go from there.

This sounds kinda like the HPOCA thing going on now. Go to the Oliver board and the HPOCA website to read more about that one.....

BTW How is the 88 coming? You swapped alligence over to the Real Green yet?? LOL!!!!

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ChadS

02-13-2004 19:40:20

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Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to Jeff, 02-13-2004 15:50:11

Still have a Binder attitude!! The 88 engine is still at the shop getting cleaned. I am rebuilding the rear end,, it finally thawed out so I got it apart. Everything looks good so far, going to replace all the bearings, and such, Thinking of a 4-3/8 bore, and maybe a stroker, been looking around, and found a few crankshafts that I like, just have not picked one yet LOL. I have been focusing on my 460H alot this week, got alot of work done to it, all that is left on it, is building hitch and wheelie bars, and changing tires, going with 15.5 firestone cuts. Should be able to run 3rd gear pretty easy,, just can't wait to hook up and see what happens. May be a good puller, or back to the drawing board,, Later,, Chad

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BUDD

02-13-2004 14:55:22

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

Chad;

The rule got changed because we as Directors did not do our job the first time around. This new rule change HAS nothing to do with anyone that has one of these tractors. When we changed the rule to read ONLY 15.5 we took these tractor completely out of the pull as they could not get 15.5 on them style tractors. I have my owe opinion on what we should have done, but this is what we did as a board of directors. We did the right thing by adding this amendment.

Bud Dawson NIATPA

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Dave

02-13-2004 21:09:12

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Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to BUDD, 02-13-2004 14:55:22

Why not go with 16.9X38, or the equivelent tire square inchs for everyone then????? Sounds like your board is still not doing it's job.

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BUDD

02-14-2004 06:09:41

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Re: Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to Dave, 02-13-2004 21:09:12

I will say this right up front, I am dead against anything bigger than a 15.5 / 38 tire for our club. 16.9s was not my first choice as a rule, but this is what was voted on and passed so I will stand behind it all the way. I do think that the standards that pull this tire will not have an advantage because they are front end heavy. They will not get the balance rite because of this is my opinion. Last year the rule was 16.9 or bigger if they came on that tractor. We have bettered this rule by allowing no bigger than 16.9. Last year we had one tractor that dominated in the two heavy classes, but we had an exceptional year with a lot of power tracks. In a typical year he would have not been that strong. No matter what we do for rules there will always be people that complain. That is just human nature. We have a VERY GOOD club and a bunch of good pullers. Our club had a bad year and we still came out on top. We did not hurt the rules by changing them, we improved them from last year! It is real easy to set on the side lines and say what the rules should be. It is very different to actually be involved changing the rules and trying to look in the future to see what the change will do in one or two years. Think about a lot of the clubs around that are not making any money and look at there hook fees. Why do you think this is? It is a pullers nature to want bigger tires and more HP and then go faster. This is all great, but when you do that you take the guy that just wants to pull his near stock tractor and have some fun out of the running. Ok I have said my piece about this. I now need to go to the garage and try to get my "A" back in one piece!

Bud Dawson NIATPA

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bud barenie

02-14-2004 09:02:19

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to BUDD, 02-14-2004 06:09:41

oh how we want horse power go faster and win every pull
other clubs are faltering because of hp and hitch design,and too many tire sizes per class.
i went to waueson, ohio couple month's ago and couldn't make sense of anything!!!!
our board members do do a great job !!!niatpa is probably one of the best clubs in the country !!!
but !!!
i feel that (as in modified) tire size should be limited in farm stock 15.5-38 i have no problem's with someone altering rims on a case la or li or zx toget to 15.5-38 period. it's a quick fix for a moline 16.9-34 offer a 10% ADVANTAGE OVER 14.9-38'S I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE MADE UP !!! ON THE TRACK, ALL THINGS BEING THE SAME !!! THE WHEATLANDS ARE SHORT STUBBY TRACTORS THEY WILL HUNKER IN AND PULL THE FRONT END !!! THE BOARD HAS TO RULE IN FAIRNESS TO ALL PULLERS, MEANING YOU LIMIT SPEED, WEIGHT, RPM'S AND TIRE SIZE !!! ONE SIZE DOES FIT ALL !!!

NEVER EVER RULE BY EXCEPTION (THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH OUR COUNTRY, WE CREATE A LAW AND ANOTHER TO ALLOW THE FIRST VIOLATION AN EXCEPTION !!!!

I WOULD ASK FOR A NEW AMMENDMANT PLEASE !!!
JUST MY OPINION !!!! BUT WE DO HAVE A HP SPEED BATTLE NOW !!! IT'S DRAG RACINNNNN

GUYS IT'S ALL IN FUN !!!!! BUT WHEN ONE TRACTOR DOMINATES TWO CLASSES !!! YOU GOTTA ASK WHY ANSWER
1) GOOD DRIVER
2) GOOD HP
3) LOTS A WHEEL SPEED !!!
THAT'S A TOUGH COMBO !!! IF YA CAN'T BEEEETEM !!! JOIN-EM

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ChadS

02-14-2004 09:59:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to bud barenie, 02-14-2004 09:02:19

Barenie, you bring up an excellent point. Look at the modified class. They all run 15.5's or 14.9's, and are very competitive with each other, Just look at the G MM that pulls mods, right? Now that is in the mods!! Why should a farm stock tractor, be exempt on tire rules? the club states, a 15.5 max. The mods run 15.5,s 98 percent of the farm stocks run 15.5's or a 14.9, so what is the arguement here? Because it is a farm stock tractor, why should special rules apply, and void out the clubs tire max. They are trying to keep a stock rim diameter just to keep the argument alive, and keep the big tires. Me personally,, let em run 15.5's or 14.9's, that is what everyone else runs, mods too, so why the special expemt rules? Would eliminate alot of complaining along the side lines ,(like Dawson said) make it fair for everyone,, If it is tire availability that is the problem here,, then the 15.5 will be the universal choice. The guys pulling that wheatland know it is an advantage to have more foot print (width) on the ground, so why pull if you know you have an unfair advantage? if this was the case, why don't the wheatlands that pull in the mods be complaining the same arguement????? ??? Because, 15.5's are the max in mods. Like I said, unfair advantage to the pullers who have to put up with power holding members, that want special treatment. Chad

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ChadS

02-14-2004 06:32:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to BUDD, 02-14-2004 06:09:41

Budd, I thought and thought over this issue, and this is my last stand on it. I am sorry first of all, but the one man who has the only wheatland insitgated this, club would have been happy with running 15.5's for all, actually, would help possibly, taller tire switch to 38 and run a 14.9. but that is whole different ball game. I don't have a problem at all wit ha 16.9X34 I do have problem with them slipping in with a 16.9X38, and it has happened before, same tractor in question has had 18.4X38, and made to change, I am happy to see that the 18.4 was thrown out, that is a huge advantage in my opinion. Tire size, is ok now, was never the point, just like the issue with nothing below 4000lb,, I asked for the rules not to go that way, and I thank you for not going through,, You hit it on the head, a place for every tractor, just my last opinion, Chad

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dctom

02-13-2004 10:56:31

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

CHAD; ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS HANG TOGEATHER AND NO ONE ENTER THE CLASS THEY ARE IN, WITH THEIR TRACTORS MMGB AND LA CASE THEY CANT GET TOO LIGHT AND WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF FUN IN THE LIGHT CLASSES AND THEY CANT PULL CAUSE IT TAKES THREE TRACTOR TO MAKE A CLASS PASS THE WORD AND LETS ALL HANG TOGEATHER ON THIS

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ChadS

02-13-2004 12:54:03

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Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to dctom, 02-13-2004 10:56:31

Don't worry, will be there till the end!! I guess in retrospect, nothing has really changed. Hangin tough, Chad

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Proredpuller

02-13-2004 10:13:18

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

No way... hard to believe. Oh wait, it does sound like the way our society works these days. I take that back, it isn't hard to believe but I agree with you.... if your explanation is truely how it happened then IT IS WRONG. Hang in there Chad.

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truth

02-13-2004 10:12:03

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Re: Should this be???? in reply to ChadS, 02-13-2004 10:06:05

"Lifes hard, get a helmet" well that seemed to fit in here....sounds like an NATPA deal to me;)...all u can do is complain till other people start complainin and it finally gets changed..... ..OR put a wide front under your tractor "Can't beat um, join um" The choice is urs

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Jerry

02-13-2004 13:48:54

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Re: Re: Should this be???? in reply to truth, 02-13-2004 10:12:03

Hi Chad: I pull with a GB that had 34" tires. Our club also has the 15.5 tire size but my tractor had 14 X 34 rubber on it that is almost impossible to find used and impossible new. The replacement size is 34 X 16.9 which is actually almost the same width as the 15.5 tires. Our club allows me to pull with the 16.9 and your member might have the same problem. I am not sure but the GB might have come out with 18.4 rubber. Maybe this explains it. I pull in cent. Michigan and my tractor is stock and I pull in 6000 and 6500.

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