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Chads

02-14-2004 10:49:33




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Ok fellas of NIATPA. Lets examine the rule proposals, and weigh them out. 1. Change farm stock rules to NATPA div 2 rules
2. 15.5 max on all tractors.
3. Pressed steel on farm stocks.

Ok,, lets look at number 2. This rule is the reason 1 and 3 could not be voted in. As you know, the arguemnet is over tire availability. Taking away the ability to compete because of the rim diameter of the farm stocks.
Ok fine, so when the rules were changed to run 15.5 max for all tractors, that takes away the 18.4, and 16.9. We have a tire limit and that includes rim diameter as well. Rim diameter. Must have original rim diameter, (34 or 38 or whatever)
That rule is in there because the ones who want the big tires on the wheatlands don't have to back up and have the exact same tires that the row crops do. Ok, now why #1 and 3 can not be let in because of #2
If we adapt to div 2 rules, that allows us to run pressed steel rims. Making 38 a rim of preference, because of availability. Which in fact, would eliminate the need for a large 34 replacement. We all know that a hub is available for any type of axle, so that takes that out too.So that is why they did not want div 2 rules, and pressed steel rims. This is tractor pulling, not an OEM parts show. Clubs have tire limits just for this reason, it takes away all of the arguments of availability. Let's put the shoe on the other foot and look at it from a modified perspective. So, in the farm stock, they can run bigger tires, just because it had 34's and can't find the stock replacement. Ok, lets make that rule in the Mods. Lets let the wheatlands run 16.9 or larger tires against the row crops that have to stick with 15.5's!!! Now what kind of fight on the side lines would that create??? Why can't the mods have the same rule? I mean after all, it is a wheatland, and what is good for the goose, is good for the gander, right? That is what they are telling us,, Sounds pretty fair to me!! So, I will go build a W series in the mods and run the big tires and have the advantage of the big tire and get run out of the pulls with pitch forks and torches because I won ,and the blame is on the tires I have. Hmmmmm,,, Come on NIATPA, lets get with the program, and let's look at the real picture. Once again, a summary,
Can't run div 2 rules because it allows pressed steel rims
can't have pressed steel rims, because of the rule that says must be stock rims diameter.
Wheatlands have to have a bigger tire because they can't find a 34 replacement under 15.5
and the rule is only in farm stock and not in the mods. Can anyone tell me what in the world is going on here? Am I mad? You betcha!!!! And that, gentleman is the whole reason we have this problem about big tires and pressed steel. And that, is my opinion, Sincerely, Chad Steininger, 14 year NIATPA paid member.

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ChadS

02-15-2004 07:32:35




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 Re: Taking away the argument in reply to Chads, 02-14-2004 10:49:33  
As a wise man told me last night, Calm down, it may not be as bad as we think. It is not the idea of eliminating the wheatlands. They have a place in pulling and earned the right just as all of the others. There is so much of a mixed opinion, on what to do, that a resolution may never be possible. I sound like a puller who sits along the side line and complains, yep, I can do that, anyone can, and has their own ideas, some feel as if the advantage is this, and that, guess it makes no difference, as long as it is allowed in the rules. Can't argue. I know I ain't making freinds doing this, ticking people off, well that is human nature too, I got upset, at the amandment, and how it came about, maybe, it was like that, maybe not, we will never know, We are a rare club that pulls percentage, and still run a small tire on all the tractors, and yet, probably some of the best small tire pullers around. I know my tire of preference is a 15.5 or a 14.9, and I know, the opinions do not follow with that all the time, but I now understand, that we have to do with what we have, and allowed. Why the change of heart? well, it is difficult to explain, and not giving it a chance, to see how it will change, for the better, or for worse, only time will tell, They did change the rule, and that is a step in the right direction, even though some disagree, but it makes sense. I have a bad tendancy to run off the mouth, and yes, I am the first, and last to see it. I am a passionate individual who wants to do what is right, but it has to be good for all, and be gratious to listen to others, and feed back. Sometimes, it is hard to swallow, but you gotta eat. And we all know what you have to eat, to be humble. Mr Dawson, I know I have popped off, and I tried to keep my personal feeling out, but alas, I could not do it, My reason for this, is after years of watching this club grow, and prosper, good rules come, and good rules go, like you said, everyone has an opinion, I and I voiced mine loud and clear. May not be the right answer, or even close. Does it make me a hothead? yeah probably, and will I tick you off, definatly. Maybe what you guys came up with will be reasonable, but like all good rules that have came and gone, you have to give them a chance to work, and that is something I should have realized before I said anything. ChadS

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slowsmoke

02-15-2004 06:52:48




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 Re: Taking away the argument in reply to Chads, 02-14-2004 10:49:33  
In N.E Ohio, some of the clubs have 16.9 max under 7500 lb.s (18.4 max for 7500 and up). No cuts for stock. no rim size limit a H.P limit and/or speed limit keep the hotter tractor out



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A.P.

02-15-2004 03:30:42




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 Re: Taking away the argument in reply to Chads, 02-14-2004 10:49:33  
Chads, actually NATPA (see below for actual wording) does allow a wide size with a smaller diameter rim. As long as the tire footprint is the same or smaller than allowed for a give weight range. 16.9x34" has the biggest footprint in the 5000-6500 pound classes.

I think it is an error to eliminate the standard and wheatland tread tractors like this. You should realise that most of these tractors have no readily available option for hubs which will accept pressed center wheels. Eight or nine bolt hubs are easy to find for most row crop tractors. It is a lot easier for you to adopt their tire size than for them to adopt yours. If you think it is such an advantage why not change your tires? If you are worried about it, are you running 14.9 x 38" tires? They have a bigger footprint and are taller than 15.5x38's.

NATPA Div. #2 Tire Rule
3. MAXIMUM TIRE SIZE - 0-4500# 170 sq. in. max; 4501-6500# 229 sq. in. max; 6501-8500# 300 sq. in. max. No cut tires. See tire size chart below from Firestone Traction Field and Road and Firestone Field and Road charts. Maximum tire size of 38".
0-4500# class 170 sq. in. 4501-6500# class 229 sq. in. 6501-8500# class 300 sq. in.

13.6 x 38 - 168 sq. in. 14.9 x 38 - 200 sq. in. 18.4 x 38 - 300 sq. in.
14.9 x 28 - 170 sq. in. 15.5 x 38 - 189 sq. in. 16.9 x 38 - 252 sq. in.
16.9 x 34 - 229 sq. in. 18.4 x 28 - 250 sq. in

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Paul

02-14-2004 17:45:25




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 Re: Taking away the argument in reply to Chads, 02-14-2004 10:49:33  
what the H--- is the difference if they have the same # of square " on the ground.a 15.5 38 will have about same area on ground as say a 16.9x 30. all else considered the 15.5 will probably have slight advantage because of less sidewall. Knock em all you want but natpa has right idea on tire size. a farmall C looks silly with 15.5 rubber. So does an R or D JD. By the way dont you guys pull some bigger sized tractors out there W-9's R-820 g molines and the like.Paul

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mike'600

02-14-2004 17:21:08




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 Re: Taking away the argument in reply to Chads, 02-14-2004 10:49:33  
The rule would be simple if you let people run what they want. Any size ,on any tractor , any class if you got the balls to pull them!



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JDGnut

02-14-2004 14:35:53




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 Re: Taking away the argument in reply to Chads, 02-14-2004 10:49:33  
As far as finding tires.. the 15.5's and 14.9's are harder to fined... (as least in our area) 18.4's a easy... but getting a little harder with all the 42's and 46's.. and with the No Radial rule... JDGnut



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dctom

02-14-2004 11:18:48




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 Re: Taking away the argument in reply to Chads, 02-14-2004 10:49:33  
YOU WANT A SIMPLE SOLUTION? WHY NOT T HIS

ALL CLASSES LIMITED TO ROW CROP TRACTORS



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Jerry

02-14-2004 13:16:32




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 Re: Re: Taking away the argument in reply to dctom, 02-14-2004 11:18:48  
Look in Miller Tire they only sell 11.2 or 16.9 for the 34" rim. The 16.9 in the 34" rim measures the same accross as the 15.5 X 38. The fuss should be about changing the rule without a club vote.



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buickanddeere

02-15-2004 17:05:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Taking away the argument in reply to Jerry, 02-14-2004 13:16:32  
I searched high and low to find only one manufacture of any 14.9x34 in bias or radial. No 13.6x34's anywhere. Turns out only Titan has the 14.9x34's. Makes it tough to find a tire if the rules say "max two sizes up" from stock. If the factory tires were 10-34/11.2x34/12.4x34.



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