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Buzzman72

02-21-2004 05:18:22




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Just a few more flywheel questions.

1. What is the weight of a stock flywheel for a Farmall H? Is the H flywheel balanced or unbalanced...what I mean is, is there one area heavier than the rest (unbalanced), or is the mass equally distributed (balanced)?

2. On diesel engines, such as the 7.3 liter Ford/IH truck engine [and some gas-engine Porsches], they use what's known as a "dual-mass" flywheel; What exactly is the "dual-mass" principle, and why is it advantageous to this engine?

I'm not trying to start any fights here; I just want to learn something that I might be able to apply on my own.

--Buzzman72

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John D

02-23-2004 09:14:02




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 Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to Buzzman72, 02-21-2004 05:18:22  
Flywheel weight is a little understood principal. Heavy flywheels do little more for an engine than make them run smooth. Dual mass flywheels again are to make the engine nicer for the wife to drive. Lighter is safer. Mass in motion store kenetic energy. In the event of a failer, the more mass the more energy that has to be released. Also know as the more people it can hurt. This stored energy does little to help keep the tires turning. Actually a lighter flywheel will help the governor respond quicker to a hard spot. Heavy flywheels tend to slow this response thus making the engine smoother and more user friendly. Keep in mind the law of physics says there is a limit to how fast you can sling the wieght around before the string breaks.

Usually you can look at a flywheel and tell wheather or not it is internal or external balanced. If you stick a broom handle through it and it always turns with the same spot down no matter where you start from then you can bet it isnt a zero balance flywheel. Another good indicator is alot of metal removed from one spot, or a lump cast into the flywheel on the backside. Zero balance flywheels are easy for a machine shop to copy out of a solid piece of steel and to remove metal from the backside and lighten in the process makeing for a much safer flywheel experience.

Again as the post above, this subject has alot of opinions but safety should be considered first. We have all gotten away with doing things we shouldn't and in some cases for many years, still doesn't make it safe. If we hurt ourself then our family hurts. If we hurt others then alot of families hurt.

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dan

02-21-2004 17:45:41




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 Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to Buzzman72, 02-21-2004 05:18:22  
generaly most inline engines are internaly balanced, meaning the flywheel is zero balance.some v configurations don't have enough room inside so they add weight to the flywheel and balancer. hope this is helpful.



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ChadS

02-21-2004 07:12:12




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 Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to Buzzman72, 02-21-2004 05:18:22  
Buzzman, you gonna build that Smoker H? Think of that in a div 3-5 set up, dressed up like a 460!! HA HA HA. Would be a great little tractor!! Come on now! I got the gas version, someone's gotta build a diesel!! LOL,, ChadS



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Buzzman72

02-23-2004 05:01:44




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 Re: Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to ChadS, 02-21-2004 07:12:12  
Chad, I'm keeping the "Smoker H/HD" concept in mind, but first I wanna see if I can build a "sleeper"/near-stock H that can pull something more than "a greasy string out of a sick cat's ..." [behind], as my dear ol' dad used to say[lol]. In other words, I want to make sure I understand the SIMPLE part of the concept, before I go complicate things!

Besides, I was figuring on just stretching the H tin a little...just to watch people's reactions, and to see if I could hear the wheels a-turnin' as they're thinkin': "Naaaaah...that ain't factory...or is it?...Couldn't be...But..." and so on and so forth. A blown mind is a terrible thing...so don't waste it!

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AC

02-23-2004 07:02:30




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 Re: Re: Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to Buzzman72, 02-23-2004 05:01:44  
I have been tossing over the HD idea with my dad, a crazy son of a gun. That is the same idea we had. Streach the hood....liten for the running hampsters in their brain!....AC



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AC

02-21-2004 07:18:06




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 Re: Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to ChadS, 02-21-2004 07:12:12  
What model Diesel motor out of what should be used?



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Jim F.

02-21-2004 06:05:06




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 Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to Buzzman72, 02-21-2004 05:18:22  
The dual mass fly-wheel on the PSD was designed to absorb vibration from this engine and to somewhat cushion the blow on shutdown. On the PSD these are known to wear out within 100k. There was no advantage as far as external balancing with the dual mass than there is with a single mass/conventional flywheel. Some engines were internally balanced and others were externally balanced. My thoughts...

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ChadS

02-21-2004 05:59:40




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 Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to Buzzman72, 02-21-2004 05:18:22  
68 lbs for an H. I am thinking along this line too, whether it will help the engine get a few more revolutions, before it stalls. Why not build a sleeve that fits around the fylwheel, and rebalance it out? would be heavier, and balanced. Just my thoughts, ChadS



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JDGnut

02-21-2004 21:50:03




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 Re: Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to ChadS, 02-21-2004 05:59:40  
Chad.. are you having your engines balanced... the rotating assembly.. dampner, crank and flywheel?? JDGnut



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ChadS

02-22-2004 05:33:35




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 Re: Re: Re: More Flywheel Questions in reply to JDGnut, 02-21-2004 21:50:03  
Yes. Chad



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