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Paul

11-25-2001 16:38:07




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Did anybody go to Columbus this weekend?Did anybody else see the 730 JD pull.1957 and older?
Did anybody get tached?The only tach there belonged to the pullers,not NATPA. If were gonna have rules we need to see they are followed!!!
What does everyone feel about the way things ran?




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Tired of it

11-26-2001 12:00:39




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 Re: natpa in reply to Paul, 11-25-2001 16:38:07  
Did you bring the year of this tractor to anyones attention? Did you volunteer to help tech tractors? Did you do anything to improve the way things were run? My guess is no to all of the above. If we are not willing to do our part in helping the sport should we run home and get on our computers and gripe and complain? Is this complaining going to help solve any of the problems in tractor pulling? The next pull you go to try to do something to fix the problems of the sport instead of being one of them. We don't need anymore bitching.

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CHRIS

11-29-2001 13:08:30




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 Re: Re: natpa in reply to Tired of it, 11-26-2001 12:00:39  
IF YOU WILL READ THE RULLS 730 630 530 AND SO ON ARE ALLOWED TO PULL AS THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES



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Paul

11-27-2001 03:57:30




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 Re: Re: natpa in reply to Tired of it, 11-26-2001 12:00:39  
Yes I did go to the officials about the year.They said a 730 was just a 720 with different sheet metal and at the last RULES meeting they GRANDFATHERED the 730's in,but it was an oversite that it wasn't changed on paper.I don't like to be the BITCHER I just feel that when the rules say 1957 and older then thats the way it should be.Probably next year I will bring my 880,It's a 59 ,but just an 88 with different sheet metal.
And by the way I did have MY tach out taching tractors.

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not quite the same

11-28-2001 09:48:17




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 Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to Paul, 11-27-2001 03:57:30  
720 and 730 dyno the same. there is a significant increase of horespower between the 88 and 880.



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Bill

11-30-2001 17:09:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to not quite the same, 11-28-2001 09:48:17  
That may be true that the power difference is significant between the 88 and 880 but there was a model in between just as the 720 was between the G and the 730 and for Oliver it was the Super 88. The Super 88 and 880 are very close in power so "not quite the same", get the facts straight before you start to spout off about tractors and come back to reality. If they let the 730 in, why not the 880 and other brands that have newer tractors. 1957 is 1957 and really should have been left there.

Sorry Reality I wrote the wrong name.

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Bill

11-30-2001 17:07:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to not quite the same, 11-28-2001 09:48:17  
That may be true that the power difference is significant between the 88 and 880 but there was a model in between just as the 720 was between the G and the 730 and for Oliver it was the Super 88. The Super 88 and 880 are very close in power so Reality, get the facts straight before you start to spout off about tractors and come back to reality. If they let the 730 in, why not the 880 and other brands that have newer tractors. 1957 is 1957 and really should have been left there.

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REALITY

12-01-2001 12:22:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to Bill, 11-30-2001 17:07:26  
I just stated that the rules let the 30 series JD's pull in division II. I didn't make any other comment about the 730's pulling. The 30 series is a sheet metal change only, which is the reasoning in letting them pull. Just stating the facts, Bill.



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Bill

12-09-2001 18:34:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to REALITY, 12-01-2001 12:22:15  
Well reality, the Super 88 to the 880 is also a sheet metal change when the 880 was initially released. The only reason the frame changed is for the sheet metal. I will say that they did make some changes to the engine later. I just think that whether they did or did not change anything other than the sheet metal, they should not have been allowed in the rules to pull. As others have said, 1957 should be 1957. It is another example of playing favorites. I do realize it is in favor of only some brands.
Facts, 1957 or older should be 1957 or older.

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mac

12-03-2001 10:31:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to REALITY, 12-01-2001 12:22:15  
I think the pull stunk compared to the spring Dekalb pull and it's only a state pull. Rules were poorly enforced and whats up with the 150 ft. track. We laughed that our county pulls have stricter rule when we plainly saw a MM g with a MM U rear end and this was a national pull. We expected a far better pull than what we saw, and I am glad we left ours at home



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missery

11-28-2001 15:52:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to not quite the same, 11-28-2001 09:48:17  
so...if your 730 is so great,you shouldn't mind if an 880 pulls with you. rules are rules.give an inch loose a mile.



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REALITY

11-26-2001 18:37:55




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 Re: Re: natpa in reply to Tired of it, 11-26-2001 12:00:39  
JD 30 series are allowed to pull in Division II according to NATPA rules. The 730 you saw was pulling in 8500 Div II. Check out the rules at natpa.com.

Also, do us all a favor and call Steve Beckley at 765-948-4099 and let him know that you think the Tech Committee needs to check the RPM's on more tractors. Until he and his Tech crew hear it from the pullers, this will continue to be a problem.

The entry fees for the Columbus Pull are used to pay the $3,000+ daily cost of the pull. Yes, it cost almost $10,000 to put on this pull!!!! At $25 per hook (less the payback) it takes a lot of hooks to pay this bill! And all the workers are volunteers who help without compensation. Without them there would be no pull.

How about it "Even more sick of it" - you want to put it on next year? Just the buildings will cost $6000 up front. Non-returnable. Then there is the sled, scales, PA, announcers, fuel, track preparation, track equipment, advertisement, etc. The guys who take this gamble have to worry about the weather, the number of hooks and getting enough help for a 3 day pull.

You do it and we'll come and pull and then criticize you. How's that for fair treatment?

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puller

11-29-2001 05:02:59




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 Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to REALITY, 11-26-2001 18:37:55  
Well Mr. Reality, it sounds like you confirmed the man's gripe to me. 1. Your not checking RPMs on all tractors and everybody knows you aren't, so the pullers start raising the anty on RPMs until somebody gets stupid and ya have to give 'em a ticket. IF you don't get caught you might get a shiney gold plated trophy and a few bucks. Can't blame the pullers for lax enforcement, or the fans for bitch'n about it. 2. You modify rules based upon the how many complain at a pull. No wonder the JD guys get to pull their post 57 JDs in a pre 57 class, There are more JD owners than other brands so naturaly there is going to be more of them bitch'n. Seems to me that pre, or post 57 is an easily defendable rule. Last; YOU guys staged this event, a guy shows up and says "hey the rule aren't being followed" and you tell him to take a hike at the pull then tell him here to run it himself next year. Oh! what fun it must be to follow the NAPTA circuit. I'll keep pulling bush league, Thank-you.

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REALITY

11-29-2001 16:46:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to puller, 11-29-2001 05:02:59  
Mr Puller,
It is my opinion that the RPM's weren't checked enough at the Columbus Pull and I was sincere when I suggested he call the Tech Crew Chairman and tell him he wanted them checked more often which is the best way to keep the cheating to a minimum. However, it take a lot of volunteers and time to check RPM's over 650 times in 3 days. They can use help!
The 730's have been allowed to pull in NATPA's Division II for several years - not just recently. These are good points that deserved to be answered.
The remarks about putting on the pull himself were only directed to "Even more sick of it" who wanted to know in another posting where the entry fees went and didn't think anyone knew. I told him what the costs were to show the gamble that any club takes that puts on an indoor pull. And then invited him to put one on. It seems that many pullers think there is lots of money to be made putting on indoor pulls. And in reality they are lucky if they don't lose money.

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Puller

11-29-2001 18:58:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to REALITY, 11-29-2001 16:46:07  
Well, I can't say they enforce the rules any better where I pull Mr.Reality. I guess my gripe is IF an organization is going to promote a first class pull they ought to run it that way. The volunteer deal is a tough nut to crack too. Then you get the volunteer "official" that lets his own favorite color get away with things that others get red flagged for. Nope, I aint got answers for these type problems but that don't mean I can't see 'em. Things like the year split deal are pretty cut and dry with me. It makes no difference if your split for "antique" is 1902 or 2002 somebody is going to whine that his machine is only a year newer and he his getting the short end of the stick pulling against better tractors. So pick a year, stick to it and tell the whiners to hook or leave no matter what rule they don't like. Yessir that includes me too! It would be a better system than the one currently in place. I have said it here before but fixing the rules problems does not mean to keep changing them, it means; 1. make 'em fair 2. ENFORCE them 3. change them once a year when needed and NOT in the middle of the season, and for crying out loud not just before the first hook at a pull.(how many times have you seen this happen?)

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Masseypuller

11-26-2001 14:15:19




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 Re: Re: natpa in reply to Tired of it, 11-26-2001 12:00:39  
"Tired of It" -

Aren't you bitching about the people that are bitching? I know that I am tired of that!

You need to realize that some people like pulling at these winter (NATPA, USAP, etc) pulls and much as they would like to "raise the issue", they may be afraid of being black listed for future pulls. The best thing to correct the situation is to pull with quality organizations like USAP and let the other groups (like NATPA) die a quiet death.

The world needs bitchers and cheerleaders both; can't we all just get along...!?!

Regards,

Masseypuller

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Micheal Tomac

11-26-2001 17:30:59




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 Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to Masseypuller, 11-26-2001 14:15:19  
Why do some people always try to make every antique tractor pulling discussion into a USAP vs NATPA debate. I see alot of the same guys pulling at both NATPA & USAP pulls. I see others pulling with one but not the other. Personally, I go to the pulls that are the closest to me regardless of who is putting the pull on.



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Even more sick of it.

11-26-2001 13:44:40




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 Re: Re: natpa in reply to Tired of it, 11-26-2001 12:00:39  
What are the NATPA dues for? Where did all the entry fees go? Who is watching the money? My guess is you don't know to all of the above. We don't need anymore bitching. We need some leaderdship that will fix the problems.



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Brad

11-27-2001 15:17:54




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 Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to Even more sick of it., 11-26-2001 13:44:40  
When the election for these new leaders comes up remind us all not to vote for you since you cant even post your name or email, even though you have all the answers.



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tyler

11-29-2001 22:32:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: natpa in reply to Brad, 11-27-2001 15:17:54  
No mater what circut you pull on there are going to be people that take advantage of the rules. It is not just the NATPA.



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