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copperheadgasket attn: chads

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CASE1979

04-24-2004 10:15:11




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hey chad i was wandering if you had a proram for a dc my dad and i will need a head gasket in a couple of months or so just ask'n thanks Case




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Keith

04-25-2004 04:00:04




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 Re: copperheadgasket attn: chads in reply to CASE1979, 04-24-2004 10:15:11  
Hey Chad, What is the advantage to having a copper head gasket?



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ChadS

04-25-2004 05:21:04




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 Re: Re: copperheadgasket attn: chads in reply to Keith, 04-25-2004 04:00:04  
There are advantages, and disadvantages. Pullers that have big bore engine blocks, the stock head gasket will not cover the bores to seal the fire ring in the gasket, around the bores. There is 2 solutions, you can either have a head gasket made, that will fit the bore you need, and still be just like the stock gasket, that will have the fire ring still in it. Or, have a copper gasket made. You can get the copper gasket in anythickness you want, providing that the pistons will not hit the head. A stock head gasket is around .072-.080 thick in most cases. I have the copper gasket as thin as .020 up to .080. the .020. I am sticking with a .032 thick for the thinnest gasket for now, I have a few .020 gaskets in place in tractors, but have had trouble with them, pistons hit the head. with the .032 I have not had this problem. Now the advantages,, Well, it is almost self explanitory, the thinner gasket will boost compression in a stock engine, Have seen as much as a 20 psi jump in compression with a .032 gasket VS a stock gasket. There is one disavantage. Sleeved engines. Sleeved engines have a standout on the deck of the block, that means the sleeves in the engine stick up past the top of the deck of the block any where from .003-.010 in most cases. this will hold up the gasket, and prevent proper sealing around the water ports, and it gets water in the oil. there is one way to seal it, and that is with a premium sealer, "Gasket Works" "GK-5" will seal a copper head gasket with sleeves in it. most big bore engine will not have sleeves, and the deck of the block is flat, or have been machined for perfection. Then you may or may not have any problems at all with sealing. Hope this helps! ChadS

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Keith

04-25-2004 17:58:02




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 Re: Re: Re: copperheadgasket attn: chads in reply to ChadS, 04-25-2004 05:21:04  
It does. I figured the part about compression but did not know the other stuff.

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Keith



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puller

04-28-2004 11:54:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: copperheadgasket attn: chads in reply to Keith, 04-25-2004 17:58:02  
how much do you charge in general for them. Got a JD A and a MM U with 4232 heads that I will be startying on soon....I jsut need a round about price...thanks alot



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ChadS

04-24-2004 15:48:24




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 Re: copperheadgasket attn: chads in reply to CASE1979, 04-24-2004 10:15:11  
Not at this time, check back when you are ready, should have one by then. My email is hpuller2001@yahoo.com Thanks, ChadS



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Shutt30

04-24-2004 16:08:58




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 Re: Re: copperheadgasket attn: chads in reply to ChadS, 04-24-2004 15:48:24  
Wish you the best of luck with your venture. all the big guys are out to get your next born son for some of their products. Tractor pulling is something we do for fun and these guys are trying to get $350.00 just for punching it into the machine. Not mentioning any names.



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ChadS

04-24-2004 18:01:44




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 Re: Re: Re: copperheadgasket attn: chads in reply to Shutt30, 04-24-2004 16:08:58  
You hit the nail on the head on that one LOL! This is what I do for work, for play, to learn, and to be creative as well, and grab up some bragging rights by winning a big ol trophy, well all the sweeter too! Some are flat out crazy on prices, but, they have been tested, and proven as well. Some are the best money can buy, and be the best on the market, reliability is what most pullers, and engine builders are looking for. Then you have the ones that are junk. One pull wonders that run great the first hook, then blow up the next. Technology is changing in this sport so rapidly, over the last 5 years I would say, the number of pullers that have literally came out of the woodwork, and nobody knows where to find machinists to do the work they need to do. Most builders have had to add staff, buy new machinery to do the work more efficently ,and less man hours on the items they build. BIG MONEY builders have to be that way, to pay their staff and to keep their business going. These days you are seeing alot of smaller shops pop up that can handle the tasks you ask them, even coming up with new technology of their own, and good things are coming from these small shops. Quality, a good return time, and fair pricing is what we all want. Yes, there is alot of excellent shops, big, or small that will vary on pricing. Only thing I would say about that is pick a good machine shop, and work with them, the more work you can give the smaller shops,,, they can learn how to do the job better the next time he/she does the task the next time. Usually, when they get good at what they are building, the cost goes down due to less time in scratching their heads and designing the parts. ChadS

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