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Off topic.. Ford 5.0

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ChadS

06-04-2004 06:52:47




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Hey guys n gals, need some advice. I recently got a 87 Ford Thunderbird 5.0 It has a 89 5.0 HO from a Mustang. It has a miss that I cant find. I went through the entire top side of the engine, but found that it is doing the same thing over again. It misses at idle speed, and wont rev up, unless you slowly push on the throttle. I know that at least 2 injectors are not working, but have been replaced, all sensors replaced, only thing left is the distributor, and the computer. Question is,, is the mustang and thunderbird computers the same? The T-bird had a 5.0, with the 5.0 firing order,,, the mustang engine,, has a 351 firing order, would that make a difference to the computer? It has SEFI injection. Service light is not on. And, it wont start unless I pour a spot of gas in the throttle body. Any ideas? besides taking it to a dealer, or going to a carb? Thank you kindly!! ChadS

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Buzzman72

06-04-2004 08:18:49




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 Re: Off topic.. Ford 5.0 in reply to ChadS, 06-04-2004 06:52:47  
Well, I've owned a few Fords, and worked on a few more over the years, so I'll take a stab at this one...but let's work from the bottom up on your problems. You should NEVER have to prime a fuel injected car; the electric in-tank pump SHOULD cycle on when you switch on the key. And on one that's not so new, I usually turn the key to "ON" and listen for the fuel pump to cycle up to pressure first, and THEN turn the key to "START." If this is taking place, but you still have to prime the engine, then you have a fuel restriction somewhere...which just MIGHT explain your other problem. [Of course, besides the $200 in-tank pump, some of these Fords also have a $400 frame-mounted pump...at least the TBI-equipped LTD with the 302HO I owned had both pumps.] I'd check the inline fuel filter first...then maybe check the fuel pressure at the fuel rail to see if you've got a bad pressure regulator that's causing a restriction of fuel.

Next, realize that the NET difference in the firing order of the 302 vs. the 351 is two cylinders...which equals the miss you have. Make 100% sure that, since the cam in your engine is set for the 351 firing order, that the cap is wired that way, too [you've probably already done most of this stuff, but sometimes it's the little obvious stuff that trips us up]. I would suggest, though, that since your engine is SEFI, the "S" probably stands for "sequential"...and it's the computer that controls the sequence...so you probably need to swap in the Mustang computer to make all this work. Still, you might use a "noid" light to see if the injectors in question are getting an electrical impulse at all or not...even if it IS out of sequence...just to eliminate any questions about broken wires to the injectors.

Just remember...since the computer controls both the ignition and the fuel, that might be the most logical place to start...and then backtrack through the other things I've mentioned.

Hope this is a little help...or at least gives you some ideas of where to look.

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ChadS

06-04-2004 08:51:43




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 Re: Re: Off topic.. Ford 5.0 in reply to Buzzman72, 06-04-2004 08:18:49  
It is wired right on the cap, So you are saying there is a difference in the computers between the 5.0 and the 5.0 HO? The computer reconginzes the different firing order? More than likely,, it is the computer bad on it,, everything else has been replaced, from injectors, sensors, fuel pump, all gaskets in the plentum and throttle body. It only has one pump, in the tank, I read that there is a second pump on some models of T-birds,, but has only one on this one. good pressure. I will hunt up a computer for a HO mustang see if that may help. When I reassembled the top side of the engine, I hooked up the injectors to the fuel rail, with out the manifold,, and I used a second distributor to activate the injectors, that is where I found 3 of them bad, so I replaced them all, but never rechecked them to see if they were all working. Never the less,,, still doing it. Thanks fellas!! Will keep on searchin!! ChadS

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Jim

06-04-2004 08:06:02




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 Re: Off topic.. Ford 5.0 in reply to ChadS, 06-04-2004 06:52:47  
Chad---- You should use the old computer and measure the resistance on the injectors to see if they are the same between engines---if differant use the computer and injectors from the mustange---I dont think there is a differance in distributors--- are you using a noid light to check the pulse to the injectors?---do they light when you eccelerate?---did all the other sensors match up? or is there a few unhooked connectors?

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ChadS

06-08-2004 08:46:23




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 Re: Re: Off topic.. Ford 5.0 in reply to Jim, 06-04-2004 08:06:02  
Jim, I replaced all the injectors, sensors, computer to match the thunderbird. The car runs, but you have to prime it to start it, and then it has a miss, and will not rev up at all, it will idle all day long,, missin too,, I have discovered no fuel pressure to the rails,, I removed the rail and injectors, still hooked up,,, and used another distributor to use as a test to activate the system. Just a spit of fuel out the injectors, then it quits all together, the pump is pumping fuel to the regulator, but not building pressure. It does sound like, when listening to the pump in the tank,, it sounds like it is pumping fuel back into the tank! you can hear it. So would the regulator be the trouble on here,, or???? Thanks! ChadS

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