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How much boost pressure do they typically run in S

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Butch

07-31-2004 18:48:51




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I was watching a NTPA pull at out county fair and watched a D-21 A-C super stock break the block right above the pan rail and lift the cylinders and head right off the pistons and rods, didnt blow the crank down, but the top end up inspite of a massive external girdle. Only the required safety cables keep the whole top end from being blown up through the hood. This thing was screaming and would have easily won, came in second by 2 feet after blowing. The anouncer, who I realize could be F.O.S., said that they were running in excess of 280 lbs of boost from a 4 turbo set-up. Is that possible?

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Redman

08-01-2004 16:11:38




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to Butch, 07-31-2004 18:48:51  
the reason this is showing up is the new cam grinds,they make more cyl. pressure than ever before.
280psi is very possible out of 4 turbos,i have seen over 300psi on a 4 turbo,but they will fail before they get to the other end of the track.

2 years ago the SS i help on blew the block at the cam and lifted the head,sleeves and turbos up high enough to wreck all the hoods.
that one had 190psi on the gauge after the pull,so i would say it is more of a head/cam thing than a too much boost thing.

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ChadS

08-01-2004 19:51:41




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to Redman, 08-01-2004 16:11:38  
Did it just come apart, or was the engine lugging harder when it blown? Chad



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Redman

08-01-2004 20:26:06




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to ChadS, 08-01-2004 19:51:41  
hard to tell with a super,the play-back on the tach shows no drop in rpm.
i should also add that it was the second engine with that cam,the first threw 3 rods on the first pass.



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ChadS

08-01-2004 21:19:36




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to Redman, 08-01-2004 20:26:06  
Same valve train too? A local guy, has a 190 AC SS Kept blowing the head almost clean off, almost 200 psi of boost, when it was rebuilt, found 3 rods were bent, replaced, cyl head was salvageable, or so he thought, well it blew again, found 2 bent valves, from the old head, bent valve guide. Said it was warped from the excessive heat. Since then, it has a new design in the short block, and actually was able to lose a turbo, and still make the same amount of power, back to 2 now, now it breaks input shaft clean in two, took 3 of them, bigger as they went till it held,, won down in Farm machenery show last year or the year before in the lite super class. Have not heard much from him on that tractor,, might see him later this month at a pull. But it is still running. Just thought the valve story might interest you. He says it back fed into the turbo, pressurized the cyl at the wrong time when the valve stuck for a split second. Chad

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Rob Mo.

08-05-2004 19:45:37




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to ChadS, 08-01-2004 21:19:36  
Got a friend that runs a super farm class AC. He has a hard time trying to get more than 40psi of boost out, with a 3 in 3 out Holset. He used to be pushing over 60 psi. Just can't put his fingetr on what is wrong.



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Redman

08-02-2004 12:19:30




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to ChadS, 08-01-2004 21:19:36  
it was the same head both times,but it was out in cicago at hypermax between engines.



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ANON

08-01-2004 07:51:00




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to Butch, 07-31-2004 18:48:51  
Shore is possible!!!!!



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1206SWMO

07-31-2004 20:30:38




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to Butch, 07-31-2004 18:48:51  
I have heard 225 lbs of boost will push most diesel blocks to the limit.Hated to hear about the Hoe Handle D-21 destroying an engine.



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Ironman

08-01-2004 06:14:50




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to 1206SWMO, 07-31-2004 20:30:38  
Allis blocks are said to be a little weaker than the others, but with that being said Esdon Lehn split his IH last year and the Lock N' Load IH tractor (forgot the driver's name) split his earlier this year. I'm sure plenty of Deeres have suffered the same fate. Check out the link below and scroll towards the bottom to see pictures of the Esdon Lehn and Lock N' Lock explosion.

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Captainhookerus

08-01-2004 19:07:18




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 Re: How much boost pressure do they typically run in reply to Ironman, 08-01-2004 06:14:50  
Thanks for sharing the web address.



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