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In what case will tire size work against you?

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AC

09-08-2004 09:44:50




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I run an H in Open class, and seem to do ok, but no matter how I weight it or what gear I use, I spin out. I have 15.5 cuts on there now, but I was wonderin if I would gain anything but going up to a 16.9 or 18.4. If I went to 18.4, I would go to a 34 inch rim verses an 38 to give the tractor a litle easier time to get moving. Can the larger tire width actually keep the tractor from hooking up well because it displaces the weight across part of the tire that does not even touch the track? Will the weight of the tractor make the narrower 15.5 bite harder? Am I just thinking too hard? Also, what is the weight difference between a 15.5 and a 18.4? I don"t have but about 200lbs to spare, and some of that HAS to go on the nose.....thanks, Andy

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770

09-09-2004 13:42:19




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to AC, 09-08-2004 09:44:50  
14.9's better tire to pull with....just an opinion, they are taller and will "wrinkle" better in the groove the tire rides in.



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wolfy

09-08-2004 16:32:27




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to AC, 09-08-2004 09:44:50  
14.9"s have a larger contact patch than 15.5"s. 15.5"s just are not for pullers. 14.9"s and 16.9"s have the dozer track affect- more bars on the ground.



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ChadS

09-08-2004 11:49:18




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to AC, 09-08-2004 09:44:50  
Dude, I know the feeling,, Plenty of power, not enough traction. Been working on how that H of mine has been hooking up with 15.5s it is getting better. bad part about H's is the front end will come up just a bit and break the hook from the tires on the way back down. That is at 20 inches high. I found on my H, that 20 inch high drawbar, throws my balance off just a tad. Thinking about it thought of changing tires, but, I keep on using those tires I got. Those tires you have on there are very short in height, you could stand to go up to a taller tire, to speed up your ground speed and use you HP more, maybe a 14.9? if I put taller tires on, it would speed up ground speed, at less rpm. And hook a bit more, going faster in open classes, you need to be able to work the engine at the end of the track, And high HP at low weight, it is not easy, especially with 15.5's You need momentum, and weight inthe right spot to keep the hook on the tires. Spinning out in open classes can mean alot of factors, maybe ground speed was too slow for the power. Other factors,, hitch height, tire pressure, front end raise too high and comes down and spins you out. Open classes need ground speed. and if you are spinning, and high rpms, taller would be good, taller and wider is good, but you may end up dropping a gear lower. a good aggressive bar on the tire, a soft side wall tire is good as well My opinion, lose the 45 degree tires on it, and go find some firestones 23 degree, a good taller set of 15.5s you find a set of armstrongs withthe long bar short bar tread. Or 14.9s for weight, 18.4sX 34,, it will drop ya a gear, will hook better, balance will be way off, Been there, done that. ChadS

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AC

09-08-2004 13:40:54




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to ChadS, 09-08-2004 11:49:18  
Well, I was working on hitch height, too. I can run 18 or 20...either way, I ran about 1/2 lower than I could be. If I run it any higher, I can't get enough weight on the front to make 3500. I weighed 3525 (this club has 50lbs overweight grace limit) And the front end came up pretty well till I got moving and really opened it up. Then it came back down until the last 30 - 40 feet where it raised up about 6 inches and stayed there. Right at the end of the pull, it bounced lightly, but did just as you said, broke traction on the way down. I had it throttled down about 1/4 of the way, and when I felt traction going away, I throttled down farther to try not to spin, when that didn't work, I just pulled the hammer back all the way and let her spin. I need a different hitch setup, and I can't seem to find a 4bbl manifold for you, but I am not done yet. I just want to compete this year, then I'll really play with it this winter. If I can remove 100 lbs, it oughta be a good solid 3500 class competitor. I may pick up a set of 14.9 cuts this winter. I am still suprised it pulled in 4th. Don't get me wrong, it was loaded pretty well, and she really didn't want to budge the boat at first, but I'll tell you what, I didn't do anything like I did at South Bend....I was smooth this time!!!!! !!! It was a loose track all the way down till 30 feet from the end. I still ran 10lbs on pressure in my tires.....thanks, andy

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ChadS

09-08-2004 14:09:39




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to AC, 09-08-2004 13:40:54  
I have that problem too trying to run 20 inch high drawbar at 3500. Makes it light, too light, at that weight, 18.5-19 works alot better for my tractor. Now heavier classes, depends on how good the track is, and how well it worked for balance from the last class. No, I think you H has got game,,,, it takes a few times to get used to it, but that thought of South Bend still in the back of your mind,, LOL,, Aint in a huge hurry on the manifold, ol thunderbird runs good right now, if you still want that hitch, let me know, ChadS

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Oklahomatractorrebuilder

09-08-2004 22:20:44




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to ChadS, 09-08-2004 14:09:39  
Chhads whhat is your opion on running 18.4X38"s on a Super M ? Weighs in at 4780 now with 90% fill in tires and 3 sets of weights. Still having spin out problems but not as much. Tim



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ChadS

09-09-2004 08:08:20




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to Oklahomatractorrebuilder, 09-08-2004 22:20:44  
Is this your current set up? What is the front end doing? is this a low gear puller? ChadS



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Oklahomatractorrebuilder

09-09-2004 13:15:45




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to ChadS, 09-09-2004 08:08:20  
Opps. Got weight reversed. 7480 not 4780. Low gear puller front end will not lift at all. Still has front end loader framme on it so got a lot of front weight at all times. All kinds of engine power just can not get enough traction. Have thought of going to 23.1X30's. Also use tractor to farm with. Tim



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ChadS

09-10-2004 06:39:40




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to Oklahomatractorrebuilder, 09-09-2004 13:15:45  
Go up to the 18.4 X 38, and that will help hook it up, it will speed your ground speed up quite a bit in low gear, As far as right now, the front end is too heavy, are you still running the stock hitch? how high? ChadS



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Oklahomatractorrebuilder

09-10-2004 22:50:25




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 Re: In what case will tire size work against you? in reply to ChadS, 09-10-2004 06:39:40  
Chads we are still using the stock swinging drawbar set at the max setting for height from factory. Aroung 21 inch I believe. I know the front end is heavy but we remove the front end loader to pull with but it takes way to much time to remove all the sub frame and cylinders for the loader to remove them. Traded for another tractor today we may try to make into just a puller. Got a 65 model Case 930LPG with the 6 speed transmission and factory 23.1X34 rubber on it. Also 1000 of lead per wheel. Tim

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