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Dale G

01-10-2002 13:08:42




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Our pulling club had a meeting and the big discussion was about the drawbars in the farm stock class.With factory stock drawbars it is hard to come up with a standard measurement for everyone to follow.It was suggested we go to USAP rules which levels the playing field but some of the guys don't want to take off there stock drawbar.Any suggestions???




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Another farm stock puller

01-17-2002 15:43:39




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
Fellas, I've been reading your articles with interest. A lot of talk about "stock" drawbars. Just exactly what do you consider a "stock" drawbar? Are you going by appearance or measurements? Or is this something you're using to eliminate tractors you don't want competing in stock classes? If you demand "stock" drawbars are you demanding everything else to be true "stock"? What about stroked cranks? What about upgrades known to be available only after the cut-off dates? What about stock distributors? How can a tractor that came from the factory at 5700# pull in the 5500# or lighter classes? - and so on. Decide just what is "stock" - tires, engine parts, drawbars and stick to it. Are you holding all tractors to the same standards or are you making allowances for some? Drawbar dillemas seem mighty petty - that fellow Shawn might have hit the real problem right on the head. Good pullin!

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laipuller45

01-13-2002 15:02:41




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
farm stock is farm stock and open class is open class. in our local club tires and hitches are the big difference between the 2. I have had to run open class with my old dc case, because my drawbar was 20", but it was not altered in any way whatsoever. so are you trying to say that i would have to pull my farm stoc tractor in a hotter class even though i have a factory drawbar?



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Curt

01-14-2002 05:56:23




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 Re: Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to laipuller45, 01-13-2002 15:02:41  
What size tires are you running?? 20 inches sounds high for a DC. If you bolt a clevis or plow loop or its equivilent on to the bottom of your drawbar so as to meet the 18" height limit of the farmstock classes, you may pull those classes--even if you win every time. Nobody with a tractor within the rules has ever been made to pull in open classes. But like anywhere, you must be within the rules. The rules for farmstock in our club have been basically unchanged for three years. We average 12 tractors in the 5500 6500 classes for farmstock while the antique (cut tires) average about 17. We have really good participation in our farmstock classes. Email me at curtndi@hotmail.com if you want a copy of our rules to check out, I'll mail them to you.

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Shawn

01-13-2002 19:47:38




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 Re: Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to laipuller45, 01-13-2002 15:02:41  
Hello,
Thats a good Question, i can answer that for you,
NO you can pull in our farm class, but only untill you do some good, then they change the rules and then you have to go up a class and pull, i have seen it happen, that the way these guys are, or seems to me thats what there like.
Just my observation, of what i saw standing over on my side of the fence.
Shawn



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missery

01-13-2002 09:03:39




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
Here in maine,our club has a 18 inch from center of the axle, 20 inch to the top of the hitch point on the drawbar.have to pull with a clevis. I feel in pulling you have to have certian controls to keep the playing feilds even. by going with this type of draw bar rules,it gives everyone the same advantage of any kind of weight transfer.there are other ways to keep the modified tractors out,we have an rpm rule,no pto's over 700.the tractor has to have a funtioning govenor. so far this has worked well.our club has a membership of over 500.if you would like to see it,our web sight is www.maineantquietractorclub.com. Dave.

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01-13-2002 10:11:47




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 Re: Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to missery, 01-13-2002 09:03:39  
what is a PTO doing on a pulling tractor?



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Answer

01-13-2002 14:41:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Question, 01-13-2002 10:11:47  
Because when we're not pulling some of us use them on the farm.



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01-13-2002 15:20:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Answer, 01-13-2002 14:41:08  
there farm tractors not pulling tractors



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Dale G

01-13-2002 07:10:14




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
It is fine with me if you guys want to stay with stock drawbars but we do need to come up with a way to police it.The main problem being different models have different lengths.So if we can come up with what is stock for each one and use that as the minimum measurement for each one I guess that would work.As Curt said if you want to go pull with the USAP you just take your stock drawbar off and put on the USAP drawbar.

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DCPULLER

01-12-2002 17:28:28




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
Sounds Like I opened a can of worms the other night. I can live with not changing the bail in order to shorten up even more . I guess I would kind of like to see us run with the bar in the same position that you would be pulling a plow with . That might even out the tractors that don't have adjustible drawbars with the ones that have the extra holes. Just a thought . Also I don't want to go to usap rules I think you need a starter class to keep the clubs going.

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Boyce

01-12-2002 16:24:57




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
Heres my opinion, with the drawbar rule as we now have it, which is "you can have your bar 18" high as short as you can get it as long as you don't modify the drawbar support " which puts most of us excluding Deeres, from 28 to 33 inches is good enough. If you want to be shorter buy a John Deere. You picked the brand you want to pull, make it work. The idea is to keep something that resembles farm tractors. That is the same reason we use wheel weights instead of hang-on and 18" high pull point instead of 20". It makes it harder to balance thats true, thats where the operator comes in, do your part of the job. If you think you want to adopt USAP Super Farm Stock rules, look at the name, "Super" it is there for a reason. Tractors pulling there can be the same ones pulling the 4, 8, or even 12 MPH. if they can make the speed limit. All they have to do is change to uncut tires. If you don't like running against 65 HP tractors try your luck with the ones with 90 to 150. Our rules were designed to try to keep stroked and higly modified tractors from wanting to go to the trouble it takes to switch back to Farm Stock classes.

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Curt

01-12-2002 10:59:09




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
Glad to see folks reading this forum and posting there thoughts and ideas. So here are some of mine..... .. The issue of the farmstock drawbars may not be an issue at all. The only problem that I am aware of in the past few years is the one new guy last year, and i hear he will pull with the antiques this year. No one else seems to have any questionable drawbars that i know of. There is usually more than one of the same type tractor at a pull-- so checking , comparing and self-policing is really remedial. In a nutshell, i feel that you choose your drawbar just as you do the speed, length, frt end and color of your "chosen" make of tractor. Take away the different drawbar applications and you begin to simplify the challenge of making a good farmstock pulling tractor out of the brand you have chosen. I think the USAP has a great organization and did a really good job with the farmstock rules, but the majority of USAP farmstock tractors are far from farmstock. You are allowed to change the hitch, hang weights anywhere, use lighter wheels, and run bigger motors with significantly more horses. The only difference between farmstock and antique is the cut tires, that's it , no other difference that i'm aware of. Wouldn't it be easier for those who want all those changes to just put on a set of cut tires?? Yes it would be nice to spread the winnings a little more, but if you think its hard to place now, just wait 'till some of the antique guys decide they have chased the big dollar guys long enough, and put back the cut tires and "bolt on" the set of uncuts they have in the shed and show up to pull against the "farmstock" guys in the club. Doesn't sound like evening out the playing field to me. I think we should also take into account that there are pullers in the farmstock classes in our club that have been there from the begining.... they devolped the farmstock classes for folks to bring in a stock farm tractor to compete. You totally eliminate these people from tractor pulling with our club if you go to the homemade drawbars or USAP rules. I'm not sure we want to lose those pullers from the club. I think as a club we want to maintian good participation and also maintian classes where a beginner can bring in a tractor and "catch the fever" . If there is no place for beginners ---how can we expect to continue with good participation in antique tractor pulling in our area ???? P.S. I do pull USAP farmstock with my tractor. All i have to do is spend about half an hour changing the hitch, it's not that hard!!!

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Dale G

01-12-2002 12:04:56




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 Re: Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Curt, 01-12-2002 10:59:09  
Thanks for the input.The guys that don't want to change their drawbars don't have to.I wonder at the meeting the other night if they thought they have to.Just as long as they are no closer than eighteen inches they are ok.Depending on track conditions the longer drawbar might do better.You are right looking at the USAP rules the only difference is the tires. Dale



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Shawn

01-10-2002 21:31:27




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
Hello
Well Dale, I guees all i have to say is GO USAP RULES, course you already knew my thought.
And i know that there are at least 5 people from the club reading this, problably more, i would kinda like to hear there opinoin, since i wasnt able to go to the meeting, come on farm stockers speak up.
How many times do you hear of people complaining about the drawbars on the stock and open classes..... .....you dont, unless somebody is to high and didnt get checked or something, then its really no big deal.
You really ought to be able to make a heavier drawbar and shorten it up some, i have seen a lot of ORIGINAL drawbars on all kinda tractor been welded up and had extra braces welded to them, that tell me that people break the original drawbars, why in the world would you want the liability of that 12000lb sled hooked to the origianl drawbar.
If everybody was able to make there drawbar to the USAP standards, i bet you wouldnt see the same people win every time, some times the big guys would win, other times the small guy would win, which is a lot more exciting then knowing who is going to get first place, and just wondering who is going to place in the top five, of course i will admit that you can tell who the more experienced tractor driver is, some guys can judge the track and move weight just right, and some guys like my self always find the biggest hole there is.
But oh well thats just my thought for the day, what does everybody else think?
Shawn

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Todd

01-10-2002 14:04:44




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 Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Dale G, 01-10-2002 13:08:42  
In most of the clubs here in Tennessee, the rule on the drawbar is: minimum 18" from the center of the axle to the hook point, maximum 18" height to the hook point. This same rule applies to the farm stock classes, they have the option if they choose to.



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Another farm stock puller

01-17-2002 15:29:32




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 Re: Re: Drawbar Dillema in reply to Todd, 01-10-2002 14:04:44  
Fellas, I've been reading your articles with interest. A lot of talk about "stock" drawbars. Just exactly what do you consider a "stock" drawbar? Are you going by appearance or measurements? Or is this something you're using to eliminate tractors you don't want competing in stock classes? If you demand "stock" drawbars, are you demanding everything else to be true "stock"? What about stroked cranks? What about upgrades known to be available only after the cut-off dates? How can a tractor that came from the factory at 5700# pull in the 5500# or lighter class, and so on. Decide just what is "stock" - tires, engine parts, drawbars, etc. Are you holding all tractors to the same standards or are you making allowances for some? Drawbar dillemas seem mighty petty - that fellow Shawn might have hit the problem right on the head. Good pullin!

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