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39H PULLER

01-01-2005 17:45:59




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Last night while sitting around with our tractor pulling friends and there kids waiting on the new year to arrive, This ? was brought up. Div 5 basically lets you do what you want anymore,meaning using any engine set up as long as it is of the same manufacturer as the tractor, in the MM use of the 800cube pump engine, what other engine is in the same ball park as this? Is the use of this engine really fair to all the other manufactures? None of us pull in this division, but it makes for a good point. What are your thoughts on this? Not trying to stir the pot just wondering.

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docjoe

01-02-2005 08:29:15




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to 39H PULLER, 01-01-2005 17:45:59  
I look at this board almost every day. I find that all the crying and complaining about div.v is done by people who don't pull div. v. Just wondering?
docjoe



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730-LP

01-01-2005 21:46:30




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to 39H PULLER, 01-01-2005 17:45:59  
I have a LEHR 100% Dodge ;would be a mean machine with a new HO cummins under hood and 6 speed tran with transfer case running on the low side.



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Lamont

01-01-2005 19:05:12




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to 39H PULLER, 01-01-2005 17:45:59  
If that's all the rules say, then basically any engine could be used, say a DT466 on a Farmall 460, or a 504BDT on a Case 700. Sounds fair to me. But I'll bet someone with a HUGE engine that's naturally aspirated starts screaming about turbos if that happens. It doesn't matter that the turbo rig is less than 1/2 the cubes they have. I guess you just have to run what you like and try to beat 'em with what you've got. You can usually tell by the rules what color the rules committee favors. I really think if it is a true "OPEN" class, any engine of the same manufacture should be allowed, TURBOS INCLUDED, as long as they are running the same type of fuel as was available on that particular tractor model and that engine model was available on a 2WD TRACTOR. (i.e., no 800HD on Moline GB, no diesel Farmall H, or Case SC, etc. or also no engines exclusive to trucks, combines, etc.) The way the rules are usually worded, makes a HUGE difference too, (i.e. "same number of cylinders", "engine block", etc.). Good question to discuss as long as no one gets mad about it. Opinions are easy to get. Let's just follow the rules as long as it doesn't interfere with cheating and having fun!!! LOL

Lamont

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ChadS

01-02-2005 15:18:46




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to Lamont, 01-01-2005 19:05:12  
Engines can be adapted into all sorts of different frames. I agree, if it bolts in the bellhousing, frame rails, and drive shaft length is not altered then it should be allowed. In div 5, look at this class kinda like a class for the factory hop up, bolt on parts, like aftermarket turbo and manifolds for the engine used. I think an Ollie 88 with a turbo diesil, a IH 460, 560, with a M&W turbo, Bad part bout a turbo rule is that the JD 2 lungers are hosed, unless using a super charger, cause the 435 had a factory super charger,, so there was a super charger for a JD under 1959??? I like the turbo idea,, for div 5,, but,, the engines, must be diesil, unless it was a factory turbo gas engine,,,,, ChadS

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Stan V.

01-01-2005 18:57:40




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to 39H PULLER, 01-01-2005 17:45:59  
CASE 504 or wheatland engines, Oliver 99, 1650, 7 main blocks, JD 7 1/2 blocks, W40 (501 ci truck engines), AC D-17,etc, and of course Farmall 560/460's get 806/360 diesel, cut apart truck heads,etc,etc. All the above crankcases increased their orginal potential! I'd be more worried about the 1963 or 1985 year or whatever that is soon coming into div 1 and div 2 rules!



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Lamont

01-01-2005 19:13:52




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to Stan V., 01-01-2005 18:57:40  
I just can't see the YEAR making as much difference as what's allowed on engine swaps.

Lamont



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Rahlo

01-04-2005 19:33:34




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to Lamont, 01-01-2005 19:13:52  
Lamont, I'll have to agree with you on the year thing. I just don't see any problem with the year. I would think that 100hp in 1955 would be the same 100hp in 2005. Kind of like pulling a 90hp tractor in 10,000lb class against 175hp tractors in the same class and waxing their butt. Then if the 90hp tractor is a 1967 model, but the tractor series WAS tested at Nebraska in 1959 and the tractors being waxed are 1959 or older, someone has a fit until you have to make a modern class and get moved to it. Or you just retire the old "67" and build an older model so you want cause a problem. Then you get the bugs out and start to place in a few pulls, I'll bet you'll get another fit thrown. If it's truely open class if you can build it, let it pull.

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jdbpuller

01-04-2005 20:06:55




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to Rahlo, 01-04-2005 19:33:34  
Uh, Lamont & Rahlo, I think it is called "antique tractor pulling" for a reason. Technology has changed a bit in the past 50 years. You'd be ok with putting a 1066 engine in a 460? Heck, why not just pull the 1066. Oh wait a minute, they have classes for those years of tractors, called "hot stock" or "farm stock"



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Rahlo

01-10-2005 18:58:01




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 Re: Whats next? in reply to jdbpuller, 01-04-2005 20:06:55  
I don't think you understand, the rules we pull from says just what I explained. The series must have been tested at Nebraska in or before 1959. The 1967 tractor I spoke of is a Case that dynos 90hp and is right out of the field except for the tires. The only thing I am trying to point out is if the paint is a different color ie. AC, Farmall, JD, MM, many of which were made and tested well into the 60s are allowed to pull in the antique classes but were made after the 1959 dead line everyone crys about. By the way I haven't seen too many 90hp tractors in hotfarm.

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