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ChadS

04-19-2005 06:24:22

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How much faster would it speed an H up? my H 4th gear sure dont like the engine these days, and thinking of dropping back to 2nd or 3rd gear with a faster ring and pinion. Im also trying to keep the rpms down more to hold the torque better on the track without overpowering the tracks. (thats more of a balance factor) but,, making the tractor easier to drive is helpful,, always thought on my H, that the rpms were high for the weight and HP, just to get ground speed, by the time I get it situated, the power loses the bite from overpowering the track from too high of rpms. Hope this plan makes sence,,,, want to speed it up, and slow it down all at the same time,,,,, ,,,, ChadS

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clarence barenie

04-21-2005 18:40:21

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-19-2005 06:24:22

get out the old tire book's look at the circumfrence of the tire that was original on the w-4, do the same with the (h) divide the big number into the small number, what ever that percentage is ! take what ever gear you have and times it by that number ! all rpm's being the same !

just change third or fourth gear !

on the internet , type in custom gears !
from what i see 4500-5500 and 5500-6500 is already locked up !
I heard a merfield motor start last night ! In a light weight (m) I've never heard an extreme hi compresiion (m) crank over this hard !
i had to stand back !

chad pull some cash out of the pocket !

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ChadS

04-21-2005 18:49:12

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to clarence barenie, 04-21-2005 18:40:21

4500-5500 locked up???? What do ya mean by that? Yeah put some compression in em, and they will crank harder. You still need that crankshaft? Chad

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clarence barenie

04-21-2005 20:04:23

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-21-2005 18:49:12

chads:
You misjudges the posting ! what I mean't was, no sense in bring your (h's) to pull modified this year, your beat before you even start !
In America, when you don't allow people to pull heavy, or try too take their candy, it always comes back to bite yaaa !
So> I say, if the masses can't pull, they find away too pull, and sometimes, it's unfair !
So , now I also say, If you read your rules, and read the nominclature, it's a lie !

As he said (i'm ) sorry (bud)

please understand , the past is the past and this is the next evolution !

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ChadS

04-21-2005 20:19:51

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to clarence barenie, 04-21-2005 20:04:23

LOL, OH, I doubt Im beat before the pull begins,, it aint over till the fat lady sings. If was to decribe the club today,, it would be like this,,, The way things are, are the way things were. What? That M dont scare me one bit. Its percentage pulling Bud,, and its not distance pulling. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Play by the rules, and everyone supposed to be happy. Or so they say. Your wound up over nothing. Somethings,,are best left alone,,,,, and thats what happened in our club, got all screwed up so the ones who made the rules had a class to pull in and win. Look at the certain 78 ollie driver! Bud, as far as Im concerend, beat before I start? Nope, the old school education in pulling just began, I dont quit cause there is competition, or what have you. If they beat me, who cares? Ive been around that long to be able to say that. My tractors, have their own spirit, and that spirit, out pulls the rest. ChadS

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clarence barenie

04-22-2005 04:02:29

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-21-2005 20:19:51

got to put the twist on yaa once in awhile !

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Magsb

04-20-2005 07:29:52

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-19-2005 06:24:22

We changes our 39H to a W4, the I4 is the same also, I think its about 18% faster than the stock ring and pinion. In 2nd gear it will blow the horn (5 mph) at 2100 RPM

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WILDMAN

04-20-2005 04:59:20

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-19-2005 06:24:22

CHADS CALL ME AND WE WILL TALK.

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04-19-2005 13:22:13

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-19-2005 06:24:22

Well, I would imagine that..er...uhh...well, 13+13+13 = 39..OR 38" for sake of arguement. W4 and O4 stuff had 26" rims, or roughly 1/3 less height than your 38"'s, yet the speeds were close to being the same, despite the height difference. SO.... I would venture a guess that your tractor would be 1/3rd faster..correct me if I am wrong...because I really have no idea...I have been toying with putting in the w4 gears that are laying on the shelf here, but I don't know if it is worth it. I'd rather get a 9 speed..AC

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ChadS

04-19-2005 14:37:12

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to AC, 04-19-2005 13:22:13

Wish I could find a 9 speed, but the weight would be too heavy for me to still run lite. Just looking for bout 5mph, at 3/4 throttle or less with out using 4th gear to do it. 3rd,, is about 4.2 mph on mine at full throttle, and thats too much engine to maintain the speed in my opinion. I think the engine can handle it at lower rpms than what Ive been running. Just trying to hook up HP to the ground a bit better. Just dont want to break down and make gears to do this just yet,,, Chad

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dctom

04-19-2005 12:16:13

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-19-2005 06:24:22

chads; you know what i would do, just change sprockets LMAO tom

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ChadS

04-19-2005 14:28:07

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to dctom, 04-19-2005 12:16:13

Think CASE will interchange with IH???? Bet you got a set of em you can loan out? LOL! I remember that discussion that day,,,, LMAO! That was the year you couldnt be beat! Chad

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Geared Up

04-19-2005 18:42:48

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-19-2005 14:28:07

the W4 ring and pinion will speed you H up almost one gear. So you 1st will be almost as fast as the stock 2nd. and so on. coupled with supeer H gears, you have a fast package.

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WILDMAN

04-20-2005 05:02:14

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to Geared Up, 04-19-2005 18:42:48

THATS RIGHT ,BUT YOU BETTER HAVE SOME MOTOR TO GO WITH IT.

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ChadS

04-19-2005 19:14:54

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to Geared Up, 04-19-2005 18:42:48

Sure sounds like the route to go,,, 2nd time to try and fix 4th gear in Something Wilder, Brand new gears are darn near 200 bucks, and I would back in the same problem with trying to put so much HP into a very small diameter 4th gear. The tranny kicks out of gear, even with a lock onthe shifter. Replaced the internal linkage, forks, springs, etc etc. Ran it last year on a good track, after I thought I had it fixed, and it did it again, soon as it layed down and pulled, POP, GRIND, that pass is done. Kicked out of gear. Bearings are good, done replaced those, shaft is not bent, nor flexing, so,,,, Have to do something different. Thanks for the input! Chad

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WILDMAN

04-20-2005 06:50:52

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-19-2005 19:14:54

SOMETHING IN THERE IS NOT RIGHT , I'VE PULLED 4TH SUPER H TRANS FOR 4 YEARS WITH NO TROUBLE.

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ChadS

04-20-2005 09:47:40

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to WILDMAN, 04-20-2005 06:50:52

Im tearing it apart. Last year it got a nice used set of stock H gears to fix the 4th gear slider that got damaged when it first popped out of gear at Laotto last spring. Took the edges of the gear off. I found the shifter fork was bent, was not fully enguaged into gear. replaced, and rebuilt the shfter linkages, still ran the lock on the shifter, few pulls later, I needed 4th gear, first trial on the repair, and it popped out of gear once again. tore up the gear again. Right in the middle of pulling season, so I dropped the H back to 3rd for the rest of the year, and fought the HP all the way. 3rd gear,,, in this H,, just like yours Wildman, thats my power gear. And power,, not a problem. Too much rpm, to keep the sled moving at a consistant speed, the slightest slip up, and it spins out. So, I started really slowing it down, Im allowed 4mph, but I really idled it down, 3rd gear, and that really helped the tire hook up, but way too slow,, engine loves to lug, its torque,, is explosive, you put a load on it, and it will respond, right now. its almost scary LOL!! for a small engine, it has alot of torque to play with, and I want to harness it!! Just unexplored territory,, wondered if I should just scrap the H rear end, and put it in a 300-350 rear end, and make a Super HTA puller????? ????? ? LMAO. Before the tranny does what it did,, I ran it for 5 years no trouble, I broke a constant mesh gear 2nd season I pulled it, and it was rebuilt then, and last year as well. 4ht gear, not constant mesh gear. Chad

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farmall2

04-20-2005 06:16:42

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to ChadS, 04-19-2005 19:14:54

ChadS, Why would you want to speed up the ring and pinion? You are putting MORE torque through the transmission this way. You cant hold 4th gear now so this will only make matters worse. On big tractors they speed up the transmission and put planitaries on, in the axle to slow down the speed. Same HP going through the trans, but less touque. On the 'H' you can speed up the trans and run a lower gear. Works for me real well. Farmall

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ChadS

04-20-2005 09:55:26

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Re: W4 ring and pinion in reply to farmall2, 04-20-2005 06:16:42

If I sped up the ring and pinion, the transmission shaft speed does not change, the speed of the bull gears does. This then allows my current 4th gear to be way too fast, and lets me drop back into a more beefy 2nd, and 3rd gear. 3rd gear, then would be my fast gear, and 2nd gear would be my power gear, and not lose the speed on the ground. The w4 ring and pinion would drop me a gear, yet, still maintain the same, or close to the same speed as it was, just in a different, stronger gear. I know 3rd can take the stress, Ive ran 5500 in 3rd, in 4mph classes, Ive yet to pop the gear, constant mesh gears that a different story,,,, and easier to custom make If I had to. At least this is the way Im understanding the data,, Chad

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