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BUDD

06-26-2005 11:30:22

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There is a couple of real good discussions about motors and tires being worked on and not meeting the rules. This is how I see it, if you as tractor pullers think someone is illegal then protest them. That is what the protest rule is all about. There is a lot of people that will complain about tractors, but will not protest them. The reason they will not protest is they want someone else to be the bad guy. In our club we for the most part do not check things like this. We have in the past checked RPMs when they get out of hand, but I have never seen us check the tires issue. If someone protest a tractor to a director that tractor along with the one that did the protest will be checked and if it can be verified that it is illegal that tractor will be disqualified on the spot.

Just my opinion BUDD

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Mopower

06-27-2005 06:38:44

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to BUDD, 06-26-2005 11:30:22

Budd,

I think you make an excellent point about protesting. I do not believe our club's rules mention to much on the subject. We've tried hard to keep any dyno or rpm testing away as to include as many people as possible with a minimum of sore feelings. Most people won't want to be the bad guy (including myself). I may not be keen on all our rules, but 95% do a fine job at making a good spot for everyone to have fun. Sometimes it it is best to rely on old-fashioned honesty decency and try to handle it the best you can when it doesn't work. It seems the more welcome you make people, the more fun they have.

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ChadS

06-27-2005 06:52:33

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to Mopower, 06-27-2005 06:38:44

But, you gotta have some sort of law n order. if someone comes in with a puller, that the owner knows that they have trned up the rpms way over than what the rules are stated,,, then pulls, and blows up sky high and the parts hit someone, then that becomes a deadly, and/or a highly leagal situation. Now Tires are not much of a safety hazzard, unless the unsuspecting puller does not account for the extra grab the cut tires give them, and they put themselves in danger and possibly put the front end up in the air and flip from inproper weight placement. Our club, dont even run wheelie bars in farm stock!! Now granted, Ive yet to see a farm stock get wild and go way up to a dangerous level in our club, but one day, it may happen. How much fun is that if that does happen? So, there has to be something to keep rules in play enforced. I dont see it as a witch hunt, more like a safety precaution. Someone go rev up a tractor tht hasnt been apart in 40 years, and is "loose" and it comes apart and hurt somebody,,, but remember to have a smile, cause your supposed to have fun. I know Im sounding a bit firm on this, but,,,,, ,,,,, ,,,, ChadS

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Mopower

06-27-2005 07:10:45

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to ChadS, 06-27-2005 06:52:33

Point well made ChadS. Our rules are very specific on safety. No wheelie bars yet, but our long drawbar rule makes up for that. Clintonia's rules are not liberal, especially Farm Stock, but do allow most to compete with a minimum of squabbles. There are RPM rules in place. We can and do raise questions on some machines. Our "FARM STOCK" is uncut tires, stock rims and centers, 2.5 mph, and no beeps after 50 ft. We do allow for a straight pipe, 12V conversions, one size over stock on tires, and suitcase weights are allowed. (That's just a few rules of the bunch. I think that let about any barnyard beauty in without giving the others a chance to squeak in. Other non-farm stock classes are more like a Div. 3 more or less with a 3.0 and 4.5 three beep speed limit. We are currently facing safety concerns over the hotter classes allowing certain tires but specifying what rim they have to run based on weight class. This could be very dangerous. I am pushing for a change that recomends tire manufacturers suggestions only. We'll see. Many are afraid that eliminating a rim width rule is a competition issue. All I can do is say wider is not always better.

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ChadS

06-27-2005 08:01:23

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to Mopower, 06-27-2005 07:10:45

NIATPA has a 14 inch rim width rule in farm stock, it seems to work out well. main thing, is to feel welcome and come and pull, play by the rules as much as you should,,,, If someone comes in, knowing they are illegal, they already know they are not going to be liked, especially if they slip through, and win! Someone always notices,,, someone always complains,, thats pulling. We wouldnt run em out of the club, they may have to donate the entry, or run mods if they dont meet the rules for farm stock. Then the puller who dont meet the farm rules, gets mad cause they got whipped by the mods,,, I guess next time,,, they should have played fair in the first place, to win a first place huh? LOL! NIATPA is usually a smooth running operation, not much bickering, but we all know there will be! Most of the time, we dont even check hitch hieght!! Gone off the honor system?? LMAO,, Last year, I went to South Bend pull, took 2 tractors,, only pulled one, and loaded em up, and checked hitches the rest of the nite,,, Now, I did things a little different,, we have 2 hooks per class, per tractors,,, so it makes for 2 rounds per class,,,, If I found one too high, I told the driver right there, after they pulled, and was on the scale to get their weight,, I said, your hitch is too high! This is a warning shot! Next time it wont be, so please let the hitch down for the next round. I never seen so many pullers have too high of hitch in one nite. The driver did one of two responces,, first one, they smiled, cause they got caught, the others, got upset, but I kept it not on a personal level, I was there to check hitches, that was my job that night, and I did a fine job. The next pull, everyone was lookingto see if there was someone checking hitches, Nope, not this time!! Just had to see how far the honor system will go. And, I did see bout 90% of the pullers checking, and setting the hitch at 20 inches in the mods, and 18 for the farm stocks, and not going beyond that. So, it made me happy to see that they got the message. Rules are rules. No one is exempt, Im not, your not, and niether is anyone else. Being laxed, is one thing, but being blind, is another,,, right? Chad

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Mopower

06-27-2005 08:15:41

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to ChadS, 06-27-2005 08:01:23

Well said Chadmeister! We enforce, but we do not nitpick. One of our general rules states tractors must appear stock. Very vauge verbage don't you think? They did a boo-boo this year and voted to treat the rule the same as in the past (ignore it) rather than correct it. Oh well, consensus building is tough. Change will be opposed whether it makes sence or not. Tractor pulling is more competitive than it used to be. That said, there are more classes and options that it used to be. Expecting folks not to build the better mousetrap is impossible, but making a place for tradition is easy if the support is there. By gosh we had that support and it worked.

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a puller

06-26-2005 21:17:00

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to BUDD, 06-26-2005 11:30:22

i think the best thing for a pull is to allow cuts, and have a speed limit that is reasonable for both stock and superstock..haha...and who cares about anything else. i would allow top cuts because its hard to prove road warn or top cut.but front edge is easy to see if its been altered..... just an opinion to stop all the b#tchin, anyone got any suggestions to go along with it to improvbe on the idea???

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Another A Puller

06-27-2005 14:03:09

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to a puller, 06-26-2005 21:17:00

I think you are on the right track, but we need to go one step farther. CUT ALL TIRES. Then there is no crying about who is cheating the most. This is a tractor pulling competition, not a plowing demonstration. If you don't want to put the effort into the sport to win, you won't. Now stop whining and go cut your tires, or just show your tactor.

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a puller

06-27-2005 22:09:16

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to Another A Puller, 06-27-2005 14:03:09

thanks for at least a little support, i want basic pullin, who can, who can't, anyone can play, not a bunch of dumb rules..thats all. and tires is a big issue around my area, some say cut, some say no, some have size limits, some dont, i say run wut u brung and hope u brought enough.

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case-350

06-27-2005 11:52:30

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to a puller, 06-26-2005 21:17:00

HEY A PULLER
ur FULL OF CRAP. YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CUT TIRE AND A ROAD WORN TIRE. LET ME SAY ANOTHER THING WHILE IM ON HERE. FARM STOCK TRACTORS MEANS RIGHT FROM THE FARM/FACTORY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DID THEY COME WITH CUT TIRES FROM THE FACTORY?

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a puller

06-27-2005 12:06:29

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to case-350, 06-27-2005 11:52:30

hey, first off, its not that easy, some people will protest a road worn tire, like one of our sets, and say stuff and dq them because they are too sharp. the easiest way to keep things right is to allow top cuts. i will take a good road warn tire over a cut anyday. and farm stock or not who cares, put in a 3 mph speed limit and nothing matters. stocks and superstock crap can pull. u dumba$$es and all your complicated rules make me mad. why can't we have basic rules and let anyone pull, no year limits. who cares if they're 50 hp or 500, if its 3mph, its 3mph, no if ands or buts..... ..no, cuts ain't factory, but people can argue lots of things that ain't factory.....and cut tires can be hid.

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GREEN

06-27-2005 18:30:28

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to a puller, 06-27-2005 12:06:29

A puller you are the biggest liberal i ever saw. What a bunch of CRAP.

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green

06-28-2005 19:34:28

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to a puller, 06-27-2005 22:14:39

And i suppose you live in massachusetts with all them queers.

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a puller...

07-03-2005 21:06:46

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to green, 06-28-2005 19:34:28

sorry...guess again..... ..

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Brutus

06-26-2005 18:30:13

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to BUDD, 06-26-2005 11:30:22

I used to help tech at some of our pulls, Finally a person realizes that after a long day working the least enjoyable thing you can do is try to controll a pull. Talking to some pullers is like talking to a rock. Most people will do anything to win a $5.oo beer can trophy. So I have found the best thing is to go to a pull, abide by the rules, drink beer then go home (after sobering up of course) leave the stress and conflict to people who thrive on that crap. I pull for enyoyment (19 years) I have enough trophys to fill a barn. I don't care if I don't win. My conscience is clear though!! Shame on the cheaters!!

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GREEN

06-26-2005 19:41:59

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to Brutus, 06-26-2005 18:30:13

What a spinless jellyfish.

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Bryce

06-26-2005 18:34:30

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to Brutus, 06-26-2005 18:30:13

AMEN

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B BARENIE

06-26-2005 13:27:40

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to BUDD, 06-26-2005 11:30:22

BUDD
GOOD TO HERE YA WEIGHT IN ON ONE , IF PAST PRACTICE WAS ALWAYS THE RULE, I COULD LIVE WITH THAT, WOULD SURE HATE TO BE MADE THE EXAMPLE !
I KNOW I'M NOT COMPLAINING, JUST GETTING A FEEL OF HOW FAR TO PUSH THE RAGGED EDGE !
IF YOUR GONNA SPEND A BUCK FIFTY, TOO MAKE A PRODUCT BETTER, AFTER ALL THE SWEAT, YOU'D SURE HATE TO DO IT FOR A SALE TRACTOR.
YOU GUY'S ARE ONLY GOING TO GET ONE MORE SAESON ON ME ! THIS IS KILLING ME !
I'VE SWITCHED FROM COFFEE TO GASOLINE, THAT'LL WAKE YA UP IN THE MORNING !
I THINK I'LL BE HELPEN AGAIN NEXT WEEK !
IF I COULD JUST LOOSES A FEW MORE POUNDS !

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ChadS

06-26-2005 11:54:11

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to BUDD, 06-26-2005 11:30:22

Budd, looked like you guys had your hands full at North Webster! Did the A get a workout? I beat my old short distance record! LOL! Before, it was 50 ft, this time was 24.5 feet! Could not get a bite! I think they added glue to the track instead of calcium, sled stuck hard to the track! As far as engines, and what they do to em,,, how can anyone police that issue? Tires, yep, you can, a little easier to judge, we all do have some good looking tires in our club, that all seem to hook up, but, never have walked around to have a closer look. No one in the lite classes run cuts, so I dont really look at the others,,,, But, youll probably be the first to know if there was a set! Coming to Akron? Chad

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ChadS

06-26-2005 16:24:39

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to ChadS, 06-26-2005 11:54:11

I guess to add to that, maybe one or 3 pulls in the future, you set up a tech inspection, especially during fair weeks to go over the tractors with a finer tooth comb for rule enforcement. I dont think you would find many engines out of the rules,,, maybe on a carb or 2 on tractors not being original, but hitches, tires, weight brackets, rpms, rim widths, all should be tech inspected sometime during the year, in fact, since we had no fund raiser pull this year, maybe you could get a NIATPA certification that states, this tractor has been speced out, and is legal to pull, members can pay to have this certification, they can be at ease that they are legal, club makes $$, and no one can complain, unless, something has been changed, and is not legal, then they have to repay to be recertified if protested, and found to be illegal. It could be a big thing, or laughed at, Id say the ones who laugh at it, are the ones who are not legal??? One pull, you could spec out the Farmall's stock, and mods, at another you could spec out Molines, another you could do the Deeres, etc etc etc. Put together a tech crew! If hunting illegal tractors and enforcing rules is needed, I say do it man! But, some would say, its a waste of time,or, your picking on me! Or, you did not check him!!! well, those are the typical responces of ones who got caught, right? and that, is good club politics,,, if it were the case. I do think there needs to be some tractors speced out, and made sure they are legal, farm, and mod classes, I can tell you this,, it is easier to get them early in the year, and keep a watchful eye out, rather then have it all blow up in front of the crowd at a 4H fair,,, JMHO, ChadS

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Cody

06-26-2005 19:51:21

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to ChadS, 06-26-2005 16:24:39

If a club votes rules in, it is up to the club /tech committe to inforce them. Pullers shouldn't have to protest other pullers who are clearly illegal to get them DQ'ed. My question is, why does a club have rules if it isn,t going to inforce them.

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B BARENIE

06-27-2005 04:33:16

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to Cody, 06-26-2005 19:51:21

GENTLEMEN
ALL GREAT CONVERSATION, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, FOR THOSE WHO REALLY WANT TO COMPETE, THE SPORT IS GETTING MORE COMPETITIVE, PROBABLY THAT'S THE BEST PART OF IT ALL !
4 YEARS AGO, IF SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TOLD ME THAT FARM STOCK, REALLY ISN'T (FARM STOCK) I WOULD HAVE NEVER BELIEVED THEM !
4 YEARS LATER, THAT'S JUST OKAY !

ENJOY THE SEASON PULLING !
BUD BARENIE

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Brutus

06-27-2005 18:39:48

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Re: Tractors not meeting the rules in reply to B BARENIE, 06-27-2005 04:33:16

An old friend once told me a tractor pull is nothing but an argument, too bad it has to be that way. For years I tried to get an association put together. Could'nt even get people to do that so our pulls turned into wildcat pulls. the 3.5 is somewhat intact . But the open gets wild. As for enforcing rules I got tired of being the one of few people who had the nuts to dq someone. Even though the rules are black and white pullers still think someones the prick for enforcing them, eventually a person realizes they are losing friends for doing what is right. Add some life problems and you get the picture. As for "green puller" (notice the small letters!!) It wasn't nice to call me a spineless jelly fish! It easy to talk smart on the internet when you know someone can't crack you in the mouth!! I assume you mean Oliver Green!!!

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