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Ben Rauls

07-26-2005 10:54:02




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I'm getting ready to rebuild the motor in my M in the next few months. I've read some old posts about running sleeveless block, how reliable is that going to be? What model tractor do i order pistons for? I'm going to run a 450 cam, stock head. Should i use my carb, or something else. I'm going to be on a budget of about 1800. What hp about should i expect when i'm done? All opinions appreatied.
Ben

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B BARENIE

07-29-2005 21:02:04




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to Ben Rauls, 07-26-2005 10:54:02  
YOU COULD GO TO A 4.125 BORE WITH 5.75 OR 6" STROKER, I WOULD RECCOMEND THE 5.75, ALOT EASIER TO INSTALL, HAPPCO MACHINE IN TERRE HAUTE HAS A COMPETITIVE PRICE ON CRANK STROKING, CUSTOM PISTON'S ABOUT 600 MAX, A LITTE MACHINE SHOP DOLLARS, AND YOU'D BE IN UNDER THE 1800BUCK PRICE TAG !
I'VE GOT A GOOD 264 BLOCK FOR SALE, MAYBE LOOKING FOR A GOOD (M) BLOCK

BUD BARENIE 219.716.0467



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ben rauls

07-31-2005 00:06:32




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to B BARENIE, 07-29-2005 21:02:04  
thanks for all the help, not quite sure if i'm going to stroke or not but who knows, Thanks all Ben



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ChadS

07-27-2005 10:13:10




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to Ben Rauls, 07-26-2005 10:54:02  
It could run forever like that, if it does wear out, you could take it out to the 450 sleeve specs and put in dry sleeve inserts. You can run a 450 head gasket to cover enough surface from the sleeve flange left over, or have rings made to fill in the gap and still use the 248 gasket. As for pistons, and the M rods, well, you can get 4-1/8th bore Super M, you will need the SM wrist pin bushings to fit the wrist pin, or you can have custom made wrist pin bushings, and use the 450 piston set. the 450 used a small wrist pin, and you can offset them to gain a little compression. Id see if you could get a Super M clutch and flywheel too. I think they are a better balanced flywheel than the old M's, on the dyno, the ones that had the super-450 flwheel, had more torque than a regular m did. Dont skimp out and use the M head, go get you a 450 gas head, it will match the camshaft grind, and help the engine breathe, and not choke it like the older M heads likely do. 70+hp is possible with that set up at 281, and do it cheap. ChadS

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Ben Rauls

07-27-2005 23:45:24




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to ChadS, 07-27-2005 10:13:10  
Thanks for the info. Who someone reputiable to buy from and good prices?This will be all bolt in, no modefying? ChadS, you make or sell pistons, how much? You can send a e-mail if you like...
Thanks Ben



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ChadS

07-28-2005 02:18:12




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to Ben Rauls, 07-27-2005 23:45:24  
Yep, you can hone the block, drop the pistons right in. a 450 head gasket and your at 281 real quick. Yes, ive got some 4-1/8th bore pistons that make cheap but good power. 574-893-7437. Will be gone today, but can catch us Friday. ChadS



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Mperfection

07-27-2005 18:55:14




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to ChadS, 07-27-2005 10:13:10  
Chad the bore of a SM 400 block i was told is 4.128 is this too big to run a 450 piston? I have a 400 block crank cam flywheel and clutch. I would love to go to a sleevless block if the 450 piston would run in the block.



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M perfection

07-27-2005 19:03:04




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to Mperfection, 07-27-2005 18:55:14  
Oops i meant 4.28



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ChadS

07-28-2005 02:11:20




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to M perfection, 07-27-2005 19:03:04  
you could go 4.25 without sleeves in the SM-450 blocks. Dont know of any piston that fits without stroking,or chopping rods. Unless you find the 4.25 M&W set. We do some neat things with 4-1/8th bore,,, Better parts availibility. ChadS



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buickanddeere

07-28-2005 11:37:40




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to ChadS, 07-28-2005 02:11:20  
Isn't there some big block Chev pistons that will bolt in?



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ChadS

07-29-2005 09:50:21




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 Re: Sleeve less M block in reply to buickanddeere, 07-28-2005 11:37:40  
Not that I know of,,, chevys have a short compression height in their pistons, and the M has a long height. yeah, you could cut the rods and fit them, a 400 chevy small block is 4-1/8th I think,,,, maybe a 366 chevy,,,, Not for sure on the bore, but the 396-427-454 was over 4-1/8th bore,, 4-1/4 up to 4-3/8's I think was those,, and they use those with welded rods, or custom rods with a 7-7.5 inch stroker and make some power,,, ChadS

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