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ChadS

11-02-2005 12:25:51




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Here is that truck head photo I have, its the best shot I have of the compression chamber.




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Mike S 806/H

11-04-2005 19:44:18




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to ChadS, 11-02-2005 12:25:51  
Looks just like the head I put on my 301ci, It also came from a 240ci truck engine



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ChadS

11-06-2005 08:13:27




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to Mike S 806/H, 11-04-2005 19:44:18  
Mike, is the 301 running?Have you ever dynoed the engine for the difference between the 2 heads for power differences? Chad



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Mike S 806/H

11-06-2005 13:03:29




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to ChadS, 11-06-2005 08:13:27  
I have the 301 running, I never dynoed to find out the difference, original head was cracked, It is in a H rear end like yours, the 301 has the small dome pistons they look like a fire crater, Theses are the original pistons, the 301 was out of a 715 combine, I did have it on the dyno to help break it in a little, I had it around 70+ Hp so far, I havnt dialed it in yet, probley do that next year. How much hp have you got out of your 460?

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ChadS

11-07-2005 10:34:04




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to Mike S 806/H, 11-06-2005 13:03:29  
HAHA! Wasnt that a sweet little conversion? Let me tell you what I know about the dyno with this conversion,,, the 540 pto reading on the H rear end, puts the engine at 1815. Same as the H 4 cyl engine. I think that makes the engine work below the rpm range too much! They love rpm! But, how can you tell what the HP would be at a higher engine rpm??!! At 540, my 263 is at 78 hp. Thats at 1815 engine rpm, which is pretty stout at such a low rpm in my opinion,,, Now, if you were to put that exact same engine in a 706 or like size tractor,, it would be over 100! Due to the 2695 engine rpm and the different pto gearing in the 06 tractor. try this math figure out,, see if it makes sence to you to figure the HP out at lets say 2700 rpm,,,, First off, you need to know the actual HP at 540, it has to have a known number to be a bit more accurate,, some may not agree with this, but Im pretty sure its accurate,, the reason I say that is, Ive dynoed a 706 with the same engine, and my 460 with the rpm differences and got the same numbers,,,, OK,,, Take the HP at 540, and divide that into the engine rpm,,, then mulitply it by 2700 rpm. The formula looks like this,,,, and Ill use my 460 as an example,,,, 78hp divided by 1815 engine rpm, =.042975207 Mutliply this by 2700 engine rpm that comes out to 116 hp at 2700 engine rpm. Now, when you figure this formula the long number will change if the HP output is different than mine,,, so lets say yours is at 75hp at 540,,, 75 divided by 1815= .041322314 Times 2700 engine rpm, =111 hp at 2700 engine rpm. See the difference?? Its like figuring brake HP,, if Im accurate in saying that,,, My 263 makes 185 psi of compression, if your 301 has more compression than that, it will be over 80+ when you tune it at 1815. Just think how strong a 301 is in an 806,,, and use that rpm to get a figure on what its really doing. If that engine made 100 hp at 1815,,, thats 148 hp at 806 rpm!! or atleast thats what the calculator says,,,, LOL! I can belive a 301 style engine is capable of 150 hp at 2700,,,with a stroker,,, they say the 715 301 was 101 hp at 2800,,,, The more they rev up, the stronger these engines get,,, Mine buzzes at 3000+rpm, so Im saying its 128 hp at 3000. Could be, or?? Only real way to know what its really putting out is to put the engine on the dyno with out the H tranny and go from engine rpm. But, I dont have that luxury,,, hahaha!! Did you dress your tractor up as a 806??? Chad

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Mike S 806/H

11-07-2005 18:01:56




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to ChadS, 11-07-2005 10:34:04  
I was thinking about that rpm difference in the pto speeds also, My 301 has 240 psi of compression, It doesnt like 93 octane fuel, Im turning around 2900 rpm, I have it dressed as a 460 also



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ChadS

11-08-2005 05:13:36




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to Mike S 806/H, 11-07-2005 18:01:56  
That is a lot of compression. The average 6 cyl is around 180 psi stock, so it jumped you quite a bit when you swaped the head out. No, it wont run on 93,,, You will need more like a 105 octane,,, these engines are famous for detonation and preigniton. Do you have E85 available in your area? Chad



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Mike S 806/H

11-08-2005 08:02:37




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to ChadS, 11-08-2005 05:13:36  
I dont have E85 available, Im gunna run 110 and give that a try , I could run avgas that is 100 low lead fuel



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ChadS

11-10-2005 07:54:33




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to Mike S 806/H, 11-08-2005 08:02:37  
Do you have any photos to share? Chad



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wk4036

11-03-2005 02:05:30




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to ChadS, 11-02-2005 12:25:51  
What truck motor is that from?



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ChadS

11-03-2005 10:13:24




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 Re: IH 6 cyl truck head photo in reply to wk4036, 11-03-2005 02:05:30  
240 as far as I know. Im thinking it is pre 1955, due to the valves being straight up and down instead of at an angle. They made 2 different truck heads, the older heads have vertical valves, where the late model heads are almost identical to the tractor heads. The bad part about this conversion is you have to use the entire valve train from the truck, the rocker arms are shorter due to the different valve angle, also the valve cover is smaller too. I was going to run this head on my 460, but the parts truck I had spotted that had the same engine style, has apperently been sold since my inquiry, so I opted to build the tractor head, (sighs) it turned out ok, but still no where close to what that truck head could have done for the engine! So, I have this head as a spare, or to get rid of. ChadS

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