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brandonf

04-09-2006 19:52:59




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getting into the trickier questions here. how far do you all grind the flyweights on the ihc distributor. I could not procure a sun dist machine in time for getting this done but I will use a digital adv timing light to figure out th advance on the top? so the ? is how much do you grind on the weights? Also where is a good place to get replacent springs and all advance parts?

thank you for the help brandon

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ChadS

04-10-2006 08:00:30




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 Re: ih flyweights in reply to brandonf, 04-09-2006 19:52:59  
Napa has the recurve springs. I tried grinding off the weights on the advance, It sped up the timing advance speed too much, popped thru the carb when ever it activated upon acceleration. The weights are good in stock form, just have to put a spring on with less tension that actually allows them to move a bit easier. Check the book specs on the full advance of that model distributor, with the engine under a load while on the dyno, if the timing is within those specs the advance is doing its job. The timing advance should be within 2-4 degrees before peak advance under a load. Leaving a bit more movement in the advance in case of a rpm change, that way its not spiked out while under a working load, its got more advance timing to use if it needs it,, Hope this makes sence. Chad

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Custom King

04-10-2006 15:53:02




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 Re: ih flyweights in reply to ChadS, 04-10-2006 08:00:30  
So where is a good place to start? Large cube 9.1 to 1 comp. top rpm is 4500 what timing at 1500, 2500, 3500 ? Where should the advance be and how much ?



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ChadS

04-10-2006 17:23:40




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 Re: ih flyweights in reply to Custom King, 04-10-2006 15:53:02  
Let me ask you this, On a tight tacky track, where does your engines rpm go down to and really maintain that rpm while going down the track? Ok, your running 4500rpm peak, Going down the track, the rpm does drop. Most Ive talked to with antiques and high rpms, is that they have a high idle rpm, like 5000rpm, but when pulling it may hit 3500-4000rpm. That area of rpm is where the engine likes to get going and really turn on some torque and hold the rpm steady. Kinda like when you read a dyno sheet, it has peak HP and torque way below the rpm peak. That rpm range is where I would focus on and learn from there. if your engine runs pretty consistantly at 3500to 4000rpm and Im just using that as an example,,,, Thats where your engine's peak torque and HP for your cam grind, carb, ign etc etc are doing the best. as for timing, I very much doubt you would get a stock distributor to do much good over 2500 rpm, especially if your tractor was a very slow rpm engine to begin with, but, that does not mean they cannot be modified to allow more travel in the advance. You could cut some of the stop off the shaft, or slotthe hole or whatever stops the travel of the advance unit, but thats kinda guessing at how much it can give you without 1000 tests with a timing light. if you want a fast and easy way to set your timing, to what ever you are doing to it,,, invest in a MSD 6AL box with the adjustable timing control, this will allow you to control your engines timing from the drivers seat, this eliminates any problems with ignition timing, and distributors that cannot do the job. You can turn that dial to change the timing up to 30 degrees advance or retard,,, while your driving, or on the dyno, and be very accurate, then put on your timing light and record the settings. Then you have a baseline, and a number you can go by and tweek from there. The big boys in pulling use this same timing control to adjust their HP to different tracks, they can knock a few HP out of that engine, in the case where they are too strong,, and put the power to the ground, Ive used them too on MY H's, its pretty cool, once you get the hang of it. To me, its the best tool for tuning you can get. I cannot tell you where that magic number is going to be on your setup. Cams can change it, compression, fuel even changes where the timing makes best power! Your doing something thats beyond what stock componets will handle as far as the distributor is concerned. Only someone with a simular setup, with a good heart to share info can tell you, "yeah set it at 50 degrees advance and let er rip." But if thats not the case, then,, that MSD box is the best way to take the guess work out of it. I do know, I wouldnt be no where near a pto dyno at 4500 engine rpm,,,, LOL,,, so the track is about the best place to do it. Sorry, no pin point numbes to give you, But I hope this info can help you find out how to know for sure! Lot of good pullers can might help ya out, If I had the info, Id tell you, but, I just dont! ChadS

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Custom King

04-10-2006 19:10:25




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 Re: ih flyweights in reply to ChadS, 04-10-2006 17:23:40  
I have a GM 5 wire dist. with a 6AL MSD box. Do I need a hotter coil or am I good ? Is the advance in this dist. to much? not enough ? How many degrees should I have and at what rpm should it change? Maybe a starting point for wieghts and springs.



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ChadS

04-12-2006 15:14:30




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 Re: ih flyweights in reply to Custom King, 04-10-2006 19:10:25  
GM had quite a few different advance curves for different engines and styles. Different weights, springs etc etc.Im not sure on the 4 cyl engines but,,, HEI distributors were a 1 wire hook up, 2 with a tach, And a vaccum advance, later HEI versions had the plugs away from the cap and came out of the side, You find these on the older Chevy V6's straight 6's and V8. Some of them had advances built in, most were solid and computer contolled. If this is the style you have, HEI style with the 2 plugs, and a mechanical advance, they are good up to 40 degrees advance with the mechanical. Later, the new style distributors doesn't have mechanical advances, they were ran by the computer to control the timing. Each distributor model has a set advance curve, you can look up the specs on your GM distributor to see how far the mechanical advance moves the timing. If you have altered this distributor to another engine, and then running the engine beyond the recommended specs,,, if you have added a cam, big carb, different ratio rockers to run high rpm VS slower OEM speeds, Base timing is difficult to estimate with out putting the engine on a dyno, or somehow work the engine long enough to be able to make an adjustment to record. you cant go off the book specs, thats for sure! 3 ways to go about this, Tune it by ear, run it, if you like its performance, put a timing light on it and record the reading, tweek from there,, its alot of work,, test and tune, test and tune... Or put it on a dyno, the engine not the tractor, no tractor, 540 pto dyno would be safe turning that fast, even at 1000 on the 1000 side of the dyno. if your brave and the dyno operator is brave, you can get an idea from that by reading the HP at the rpm range and look for increases in HP, then become steady, I dont recommend this at all,,,, but would work. OR, get ya that timing control addition to your MSD, get it running best to ear, or on the track, and dial it in from there to get your base timing recorded for your engines combination of custom parts to enhance performance. You will feel it in the seat while on the track if the timing is off, HP will go up if its down. Thats the best I can do without knowing exactly what you have and with the info you have provided. Auto distributors are good for high rpm and have enough timing in the advance. Now, as fas as the coil is concerned, bout any good 12 volt coil will work wit hyour MSD, yeah there is one listed in the instructions not to use, but the rest are open season. The MSD uses the full power of the coil,zaps the lugs about 3-5 times more than just the one time spark from stock, where points use maybe 1/3 of the potential energy. Lighter advance weights and different spring tensions help with throttle responce upon acceleration. Timing has to be altered along the route upon acceleration to help out the rpm increase. Other wise it will be only relying on the carb, and the advance timing in stock form to help rev up a more than stock compression, faster accelerating engine. The engine will be slow upon revving up. That helps get the rpm up to fast idle ASAP. If you think its a bit lazy, and lighter weights are available, try them out, then tune in the spring tension to really tune it in. If the base timing is set well enough, but it pops thru the carb upon acceleration after the changes, then the advance is working to quickly and too much so stiffen the spring tension on the light weights. To be more precise, more info, what are you driving? Chad

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Custom King

04-12-2006 16:41:36




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 Re: ih flyweights in reply to ChadS, 04-12-2006 15:14:30  
930 Case , head work , cam, bored ,stroked, header ,# 9 stromberg carb. It is lazy, don"t have vaccum advance hooked up. It would miss at high rpm, till I would back the throtle off,then smooth right out. When you rev it up it sounds like it wants to go but its doggy. I thought it was too much fuel on top end, now I wonder if not enough advance. Thats why I ask how much advance I should have . Should I hook the vacum advance up? THANKS for your time.

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ChadS

04-12-2006 19:36:44




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 Re: ih flyweights in reply to Custom King, 04-12-2006 16:41:36  
That would allow you to run a bit more base timing. Are you sure the valves are not floating? Maybe valve lash too tight,,, See, some custom cams require a different than stock lash setting. Have you ever bent a push rod? Chad



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Custom King

04-13-2006 03:51:29




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 Re: ih flyweights in reply to ChadS, 04-12-2006 19:36:44  
Have not bent a push rod, valves set at .018" hot. Spring pres. 370 seat pres. 200 with stock cam that was running , 130-150 with new cam for this year.



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