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45acwc

04-24-2006 07:20:56

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need a new truck to pull my tractors, what is the better motor cummins or power stroke? and what problems have you found? thanks for your feedback.

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ginman

04-28-2006 18:50:32

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

I have a 1994 7.3 powerstroke with 245000 miles on it.It's one of the first powerstrokes made in 02-94.I pull a 4 horse steel trailer with dressing room.I also pull two weighted pulling tractors with no problems.

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Warren Jerome

04-26-2006 19:14:37

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

It's OK to have a preference. To call everything else worthless junk is only going to make you look like an idiot. Allison's reputation is earned, like it or not. The rap on Dodge trannys is also earned. I don't care if you have a good one, thousands of others haven't. Sounds like kids sitting in a junior high cafeteria.

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davpal

04-25-2006 23:37:06

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

I have a friend that uses his old Bronze colored 7.3 Ford dually to pull five (yes 5) farmall and allis chalmers and john deere pulling tractors all over Michigan on a fifth wheel flatbed trailer. All the tractors are weighted for pulling and he has more spare weights on the trailer he hauls and not to mention the huge pile of parts that are always in the back of the truck. I know a lot of you guys know who I am talking about because when he shows up at the antique pulls he usually wins. I figured he has to be pulling at least 30 to 40,000 pound with this truck. It does have a homemade propane injection system on it but that is it. I have followed him out of town one night. He was getting back from the free fair with the tractors and I pulled on the entrance ramp behind him with my car and he was gone in a heartbeat pulling that load. I was amazed. I have a 1 ton ford with a 460 and three of my trucks could not have pulled that load, especially at that rate of acceleration. You could probably find a nice used ford dually with the 7.3 in it for a very good price and easily get out of it what you paid for it after many years of good use. And the people on this board saying that the allison transmissions are bullet proof, that is a total crock of sh*&^! Especially the one they put behind the duramax. Most new gmc pickups are being used to tow a 6500 pound motor home that matches the motor home to look pretty. Not towing 35,000 pounds of antique tractors. I live on a highway and watch it all day.

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Cummins#1

04-26-2006 15:19:22

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to davpal, 04-25-2006 23:37:06

We pulled 35,000+ pounds of antique tractors over 1,000 miles from texas in a stock Dodge Cummins AUTOMATIC and it never missed a beat not counting the trailer which weights with truck 17,800 you try that with your powerchoke or duraslug through the hills of missouri. Ford Automatic Transmissions are junk i dont care what u say I know of a guy with a 6.0 thats had 5 transmissions in it and he only has 30,000 miles on it and all its done is haul a couple of show cows every once in a while. You wanna see which truck is better hook em on blacktop. The Dodge'll win. CUMMINS EVERYTIME

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davpal

04-26-2006 21:04:43

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to Cummins#1, 04-26-2006 15:19:22

Hey, you get to bed now. It has to be past your bedtime and it is a schoolnight. If your parents catch you on their computer again talking on the grown up forum you are going to get in big trouble mister. I know you are 12 years old because I haven't seriously heard anybody talk like you since I was in the seventh grade 30 years ago.

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Cummins #1

04-27-2006 18:18:37

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to davpal, 04-26-2006 21:04:43

I tell you what. I'd hate to hear ya'll yankees talkin EH. Look at that Ford EH. It can sure pull EH. You must not get down south much.

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Warren Jerome

04-25-2006 20:18:53

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Dang typos, that's a 3408 Cat. You can't edit after hitting preview without retyping the whole thing.

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Warren Jerome

04-25-2006 20:13:39

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

The Duramax is an Isuzu design. Isuzu is the world's 31 manufacturer of diesel engines. All these partisan shots at a particular brand make me shake my head. Some will swear by almost any particular truck. Cummins rep is good but noisy. If the 5.9 was the most powerful (it's not) they wouldn't have any reason to redesign it bigger. The most torque you can buy is Duramax. Look it up. Powerstroke was much more reliable in 7.3. Duramax had early teething problems, OK now. Dodge autos are legendary junk. Ford is so-so. Allison has no competition. Buy what you like, it's your money and a crap shoot anyway. The last truck pull I went to GM won it all. If I had a wish, it would be a 3208 Cat with an Allison.

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ohio

04-25-2006 23:14:03

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to Warren Jerome, 04-25-2006 20:13:39

cummins couldn't pass emissions reg's for n0x while pouring huge fuel into little cylinders. needed more capacity for air.

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Warren Jerome

04-25-2006 20:14:40

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to Warren Jerome, 04-25-2006 20:13:39

That was supposed to say #1, not 31

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CUMMINS #1

04-25-2006 16:26:37

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Get a cummins or you'll be sorry all a ford is a big powerjoke and a guy down the road has a 7.3 puller with 50+ grand in it and can't even compete because it always blows up thats the only reason ford sales all those trucks is because there junk and they have to be replaced and dodge automatics are pretty good they come with a 100,000mile warranty and if you've seen what i've seen em do you'd be amazed. And a torque converter is cheaper than a clutch. Whoever said ford has a good auto transmission is full of crap strap a load to one and they wont last 10,000miles. A Duraslug is a V8 and thats all it'll ever be. Go with the Cummins with a Automatic you cant go wrong the powerchoke and duraslug are made for soccer moms and yuppies there not meant to haul real loads there just for takin the kids to school in thats all they'll want

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FORD #1

04-30-2006 11:27:04

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to CUMMINS #1, 04-25-2006 16:26:37

I'm a ford guy, so i've got 2 words for you...Emergency Services. Next time you see a Dodge (or Chevy) being used as an ambulance or rescue truck, you had better take a picture. It just don't happen.

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dogonewild

04-25-2006 18:24:47

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to CUMMINS #1, 04-25-2006 16:26:37

I wouldnt hit a bull in the a$$ mopar automatic! If you could get a Ford with a Dana 80 and a cummins with an allison auto then you would have something or a dodge with a front axel with manual locking hubs and a allison. I hate my live spindals on my dodge. They are a great waist of fuel and excesive wear on front drive train parts.

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Buzzman72

04-25-2006 05:28:27

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What I've heard... in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

...from one of the diesel instructors at a local vocational college is that you can't beat the International DT-466. In a not-QUITE-a-truck [pickup], he likes both the Cummins and the Powerstroke. He's not fond of ANY diesel sold by GM, but the Isuzu Duramaxx is OK, according to him.

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Get a Dodge

04-24-2006 18:14:57

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

I would say the best out on the market is the Cummins engine. By 2007 Cummmins is making a new engine for Dodge that goes from a 5.9 LTR to a 6.7 LTR and will stick with the inline 6 cyl design. It will have over 325 HP and over 700 foot pounds of torque. Just look inside the latest issue of Diesel Power magazine. I would only get the Cummins in the 5 or 6 speed as Dodge does seem to have problems with their automatic transmissions!

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93 Dodge 1 ton 4x4

04-24-2006 15:39:17

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

The Cummins engine is the best part of the Dodge, but when it gets a few years on it, the "dodge" part falls apart and your left with a good motor with nothing to put it in.

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ncdiesel48

04-24-2006 13:58:42

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Cummins hands down owned a 01 powerstroke and it was a dog compared to my 99 cummins 5 speed.

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New 6.4 diesel in Jan. '0

04-24-2006 13:51:39

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Ford is replacing the current 6.0 engine with a new 6.4 twin turbo diesel starting in January of '07 and it will be sold as an '08 model. The truck will also be redesigned. As for the current motors, my work truck has a 6.0 and it will really pull and I like it.

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04-24-2006 18:21:28

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to New 6.4 diesel in Jan. '0, 04-24-2006 13:51:39

They also cant keep em cool with 4 radiators on the dyno...what a nightmare is something goes wrong...

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

04-24-2006 13:47:52

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

The utility companies (Electric, Gas, Phone) are the most cost effective companies and they go mostly Ford. Ford power strokes are good for 400,000 miles or more. I talked to a friend today with 178,000 miles with batterys and lub.

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Charles McNelly III

04-29-2006 14:04:40

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 04-24-2006 13:47:52

Hi Jerry, I work for the local Electric Utility and we use mostly Ford F-550s. The only reason is COST. There cheaper then the rest, And yes they have problems. Nothing to do with being a better truck.

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DBoll

04-24-2006 13:31:51

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Everyone gives Cummins credit for the 5.9 engine. Remember that engine design was the result of a joint venture between cummins and JI Case, no wonder it's got gobs of torque! The Dodge is a good pullin truck as is the Chevy but neither have the ride quality of a Ford. GM seats make my back hurt! Everybody has their favorites, consider dealer service. WE took an 02 Ford 400 miles to Sigourney with 6 guys in it, 24'goose with 1 tractor and a 4-wheeler, drove nice and got 15mpg, no sweat up and down those Ia hills!

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minnesota red

04-25-2006 18:36:56

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to DBoll, 04-24-2006 13:31:51

the 5.9 is not a cdc engine,the 505 was the olny cdc that i know of.

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dogonewild

04-25-2006 19:03:39

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to minnesota red, 04-25-2006 18:36:56

cdc? whats that mean the 5.9 has the same bore and stroke as the 3.9 just 2 more cylinders. the 4.5 has the same bore just a bit more stroke

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minnesota red

04-25-2006 20:21:53

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to dogonewild , 04-25-2006 19:03:39

cdc is on the engine tag of all cummins/case joint engines.
no cdc,and it is all cummins.

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dogonewild

04-25-2006 18:30:50

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to DBoll, 04-24-2006 13:31:51

Case hade no part in the development of the 3.9, 4.5, or the 5.9

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dctom

04-24-2006 12:00:44

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

I have driven fords and i have driven chevys but i never had a truck till i got my DODGE CUMMINS LOL

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Strange Brew

04-24-2006 11:49:16

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Go with the Dodge, can't beat a cummins!!

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ohio

04-24-2006 10:33:25

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

ask most ford owners, if ford offered choice of intertrashinal, or cummins, which they would pick. ask any truck driver, or equipment operator, if they have ever come across a good 4 stroke v-8 diesel.

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minnesota red

04-25-2006 18:35:50

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to ohio, 04-24-2006 10:33:25

3408 cat,as close to bullet proof as they get.

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ohio

04-25-2006 23:18:56

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to minnesota red, 04-25-2006 18:35:50

just heard a guy cryin', one w/ $45,000 worth of work done, made a hell of a mess when the con rod gave out! i'd take a 12v-71 detroit any day!

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minnesota red

04-26-2006 19:51:24

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to ohio, 04-25-2006 23:18:56

sounds like he should have spent a little on the rods.
the buzzin dozen is not in the same league as a 3408.

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ohio

04-26-2006 23:58:54

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to minnesota red, 04-26-2006 19:51:24

no, the 3408 is a portly leviathan that guys try to shoe-horn into highway trucks. i would imagine they do this to compensate for something. personally, i would rather have a truck w/ a lightweight of around 14,000 lbs. however, for the sake of argument, let us consider the 3208, the v903, v555, whites failed v8, the perkins v8, ALL gm four stroke v diesels(8.2, 6.2, tora-flow v6's), 9 liter IH v8's....all substandard, by all accounts.

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Dick KLine

04-24-2006 09:04:40

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Watch what you see on the road. Ford and GM sell lots of diesels, but if you look at the pickups that are actualling hauling heavy trailers and not just driving around empty, I'll bet you will find more diesel Dodges than anything.

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superih

04-24-2006 11:14:17

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to Dick KLine, 04-24-2006 09:04:40

Dodge never made a diesel. Cummins powers them. I drive a "99 Powerstoke because Ford makes the best truck and the 7.3 is tough to beat as a dependable powerplant. Cummins motors are the best, especially when pulling, but I just could never drive a Dodge. The new Dodges are a nice ride (I could even drive one) just don"t buy an automatic, no matter what the dealer and there mechanics tell you. They are junk. A Cummins with a 6 speed is hard to beat.

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ohio

04-24-2006 11:48:43

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to superih, 04-24-2006 11:14:17

fords auto isn't anything to brag about. it's just easier to make an automatic stand up to alot of torque @ 3000 rpm than it is to keep clutch packs and bands locked up @ 1400 rpm. (peak torque of the older cummins)

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superih

04-25-2006 06:02:00

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to ohio, 04-24-2006 11:48:43

That doesn't make sense. To a transmission torque is torque at any rpm. The 4R100 is a very dependable trans. My brother has one behind a 400 horse Cummins and we run it hard, no problems. Also, everyone thinks Allisons should be the best because of the name but they have had their share of problems.

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ohio

04-25-2006 09:32:46

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to superih, 04-25-2006 06:02:00

it's easier on everything once it's up to speed. when it's only spinning 1000-2000 rpm internal hydraulic pressures arn't very high. look where the manual trans. have problems- overdrive. torque can be very destructive at low rpm. that's why big transmissions have double mainshafts and redundent sets of gears.

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Jak

04-25-2006 09:42:57

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to ohio, 04-25-2006 09:32:46

Knew a guy with a Cummins that learned not to lug it with his manual trans.He had some nut come off twice because of a vibration or chatter at low rpm's.His transmission man told him not to shift too soon.Our 03 Powerstroke automatic has lots of engine running problems but at 55000 miles the transmission still shifts good.Got a friend with a 2000 Cummins that is sick of buying 1000.00 injector pumps when his lift pump unknowingly quits working,he's going back to a Ford.Unless I win the lottery I am sticking with a gasser for no more pulling that I do.

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Jak

04-25-2006 13:43:04

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to Jak, 04-25-2006 09:42:57

I haven't used the fuel treatment yet,can you tell a difference?I use the Lucas in all my trucks and tractors in the engine oil.My 351 idles smoother than it did without it.

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ohio

04-25-2006 11:59:31

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to Jak, 04-25-2006 09:42:57

mine has 181,000 on it, w/ nv4500 5 spd, engine was replaced by cummins @ 60 some k. (it started life as a company truck, bozo doing speed trials & windowed block!)(i never spin it above 2500!) it is now 300 horse & 555 tq. put rear seal in trans, that is about it. (k.o.w.) i always run lucas fuel treatment.

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D boll

04-24-2006 08:48:33

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Ford sells something like a quarter of a million more trucks a year more than GM,what does that tell you??

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ohio

04-24-2006 10:30:22

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to D boll, 04-24-2006 08:48:33

most #'s compare ford to chevy, not gm. add gmc sales, they are close.

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alex 51g

04-29-2006 15:23:23

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to ohio, 04-24-2006 10:30:22

Yeah good piont you might see a GMC every 50 miles interstate. They don't sell nearly as well as the other brands.

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dtbeiter@juno.com

04-24-2006 08:34:20

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to 45acwc, 04-24-2006 07:20:56

Chevy Duramax..... ... especially the 2006 models with 350hp and 650 lbft of torque

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RichB

04-24-2006 11:12:02

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to dtbeiter@juno.com, 04-24-2006 08:34:20

from what I've heard the duramax is not a chevy engine its Isuzu,but they seem to run good we have an 05 with no complaints,tows good plenty of power

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ShawnM

04-24-2006 12:13:24

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to RichB, 04-24-2006 11:12:02

The Duramaxx is an Isuzu engine. Our new work truck's got them. They are a decent enough engine from what I have seen so far, but don't have near the balls of my 5.9 Cummins.

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dtbeiter@juno.com

04-25-2006 08:53:21

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to ShawnM, 04-24-2006 12:13:24

Yes the Duramax is an Isuzu design, but I think it is made in Ohio..

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Attack

04-24-2006 10:53:41

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Re: best pulling truck motor in reply to dtbeiter@juno.com, 04-24-2006 08:34:20

I have good luck with my 02 Ford with the Powerstroke. It pulls hard and runs good, no complaints. Just remember everyone has an opinion, especially about trucks.

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