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brew my own fue

09-18-2006 11:02:57




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When adding varying percentages of e85 to incraese power where legal of course.What are the symptoms you have reached the limits of jet area and need to go bigger?Is it doggy? Does it cut out and lose power? does it just flat die when the load comes on?Im thinking 25 or 30 percent might give the old tow truck some more go too.The cheaper cost should offset the mileage drop.Thanks




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ChadS

09-18-2006 15:00:10




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 Re: ethanol chad s or anyone ? in reply to brew my own fuel, 09-18-2006 11:02:57  
What kind of truck, engine, etc,etc?? All of the above. At that mix, it will run very lean. If its carburated,, you are looking at a carb that can almost feed a 500+ hp engine. Even if its only 300hp if that. Stock for stock, carbed engines, I dont think there is enough air to supply the needs. EFI engines run better on it cause the air flow is almost unrestricted,, and an injector, can flow 3 times the fuel a carb can with 3 times the air entering. Just my opinion,,, but the auto carb of yesterday has delayed the progression of ethanol. Im not saying that they could not make them run on the fuel,, Im saying if they turned it loose on the street with a carb that was right on,, they would not have a economy vehicle to sell. To say it right, you need a high performance carb and intake, and a high energy ignition with more than one spark fire at the plug when the plug does fire. Just think, if they let ethanol out back then,,, a 750 Holley double pumper would have been stock equipment on a small block. Thats the truth,, Ive tried it in 5 different carburators. The best one was a motorcraft 4bbl ford, those carbs work pretty well. Quadra jets too, but it takes work to make em run,,, edlebrock and carter carbs can do the trick,, very simple, not alot of moving parts, a carb with power valves is out cause it will eat the diaphrams. Yes, they made power valve blanks to replace, and thats what helped the motorcraft carb. Holleys,,,, double pumper for sure,,, with a 50cc pump shot, and jetted accordingly, with an electric fuel pump feeding the carb. Seems extreme doesnt it???? but, thats what it takes, especially if your engine works like a dog for a living. The only way you will save money in this case, is the cost to make, or buy the fuel. Fuel Injected engines,,, now, thats another story!!! Its a breeze to get one to run E85! JMHO, each engine is different. Chad

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brew my own fuel

09-20-2006 11:10:07




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 Re: ethanol chad s or anyone ? in reply to ChadS, 09-18-2006 15:00:10  
With all the BS that goes on this board I should have known better hten to ask a question.Extended rhetoric and no answer to the original question.When you incease the percentage you are in effect leaning out the engine.I have already ran 9 gal. pump grade 10 percent and 1 gal. e85 sucessfully in my trucks without modification both qjet and TBI. I have also ran 20percent e85 in my tractors without further modifications.What I wanted to know was when and how much to incrase the jetting etc. BEFORE little holes start to appear in my pistons. Oh well.

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ChadS

09-20-2006 14:26:33




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 Re: ethanol chad s or anyone ? in reply to brew my own fuel, 09-20-2006 11:10:07  
Thats not much of a mixture 9 gallons of e10 to 1 gallon of e85. a half and half mixture is 1/2 gallon of pump gas to 1/2 gallon of e85,, take it from there. At the ratio your running, it probably wont take a jet modification. Iusually mix a gallon of E85 to 2 gallons of gas for car engines, and thats alot more than 9 gallons to 1 gallon. Dont use the e10, like from casey's,, that stuff aint even gas they mix with it! The computer wont notice that little amount even with what you mixed in,, carbed engine wont much either,, maybe in the idle it might, thats it,,, if that. if your plugs in the carbed engine are white after a drive, then go up a couple sizes! computer engines will be white or clean off the bat,, but at the mix you have, you wont notice it. Take 5 gallons of gas, mix in 3 gallons of of E85,,, then you will need to rejet. wont know till you pull the plugs out will you? white=lean, more fuel, even if your running regular gas. whats to say that qjet was right off the bat? Im not trying to be smartalecked,, drive it, pull the plugs out and see whats going on. If you know of any other way to tell if its lean, please, tell me how that is. Lets say they are greyish,, closer to white, but a little brown in color,, bigger jets,, get it to run cocca brown, you wont burn a hole if its set right like that.

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brew my own fuel

09-21-2006 10:47:01




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 Re: ethanol chad s or anyone ? in reply to ChadS, 09-20-2006 14:26:33  
Since e85 is supposed to be 15 percent gasoline a 3 to5 mix would be somethig over or close to half and half.I think I will go a bit less to start.You are saying the only way to do it is try it and read the plugs.Thanks.BTW I was mostly interestd in pulling tractors the pickup was just an added benfit so to speak.



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ChadS

09-21-2006 15:02:28




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 Re: ethanol chad s or anyone ? in reply to brew my own fuel, 09-21-2006 10:47:01  
Exactly. Just one thing,,, Ethanol burns cleaner than any fuel I know of, lets say if you was to run it 100%,, if you get the carb to run it, the plugs would be clean, even if it slobbers,, use the gasoline to cut it back to give it back some plug color. Each engine is different, even if its the same make and model,, but yeah, watch the plug colors, shoot for a nice cocoa brown. So if you appear to be getting plenty of fuel to it,, and plug color is light,, put in more gas to show a bit more plug color, not much, maybe a quart or 2 more of gas,, once you figure out the ratio mix, its pretty much mixing the right amounts.

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