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How long should the horn blow?

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AC

12-22-2007 07:51:09




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2 seconds, 3 seconds, 6?!, People like to "ride out" the horn in a 3 beep class. I've seen it at alot of jackpot pulls and club pulls, where a driver will ride horn through a rough spot, maybe blowing the horn for 20 feet or more. SO, IF ALL FAIRNESS, how long should the horn be able to blow, before it blows TOO LONG, resulting in a DQ? ..AC




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Redneck Tech

12-26-2007 06:09:31




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
Depends on what she looks like!



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Andy in Ohio

12-23-2007 19:25:11




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
I agree, if the club allows 3 beeps then it shold blow no more than 3 seconds. The best rule is no beeps after the cone though. To many people cheat with the horn.



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3 beeps

12-23-2007 08:44:33




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
Old rule that worked with three beeps was for the flagman to count the tire revolution. One revolution was one horn, two was two horns and three was three horns. They had an orange magnet that attached to the rear rim to act as the marker. If driven right, the 3 beep rule is a huge advantage to the driver who knows how to run the rules right to the fine line description.



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Disturbed

12-22-2007 16:57:32




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
yur dum jus go fastt



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AC

12-23-2007 05:51:18




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to Disturbed, 12-22-2007 16:57:32  
Dunderhead! :)



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AC

12-22-2007 15:08:52




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
Well, noone really gave me much of an idea about time, so I'll tell you what I'm doing this winter. I am putting a lead from the hot wire going to the horn, through a variable DC timer 3 - 60 seconds, to a LED RED light. I'm setting the timer for 3 - 4 seconds, and if the horn blows for more than this preset time, red light comes on, you're DQ'd. Kinda eliminates any guess work, making it FAIR FOR EVERYONE..which is kinda my goal. I have already found a timer, thinks to some of the guys on the forum. I just wanted some feedback. Any input, other than "YOU are an idiot" would greatly be appreciated!! ..AC

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slowsmoke

12-24-2007 07:08:50




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 15:08:52  
My club has a horn and a siren. horn is set about 1/3 MPH slower then siren. horn is warning/OK, siren is DQ. seams to split the problem.



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Ac Is An Idiot!

12-24-2007 06:45:27




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 15:08:52  
Why don`t you threaten to kick his a$$ cause you disagree with him? You`re stupider than you ever were.



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AC

12-24-2007 07:43:07




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to Ac Is An Idiot!, 12-24-2007 06:45:27  
MERRY CHRISTMAS! Hope you have a fun and safe holiday! Havent heard from you in a while! Good to see you back on here!



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Lenny Kirby

12-22-2007 13:43:44




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
My opinion is get rid of the darn speed limit all together, but most people don't like my opinion on here anyway..... I don't like speed limits I never have and I never will thats all there is to it.. If you have built your tractor up to the rules I say let er rip.. If the other guy doesn't like it he can either build his up, get beat, or stay home its up to him....



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jd b puller

12-22-2007 19:21:05




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to Lenny Kirby, 12-22-2007 13:43:44  
Lenny, everyone has their opinion. I happen to disagree with yours. Not everyone CAN or WANTS to spend bigbucks building a motor so they can go fast. That's why we have speed limit classes in antique tractor pulling. Pick your class and conform to the rules.

- You stated "If you have built your tractor up to the rules I say let er rip.. If the other guy doesn't like it he can either build his up, get beat, or stay home its up to him...." - The rules in Div I, II, and III are pretty clear. There's a speed limit. Drop it. You don't even have a dog in this fight, as you seem to pull the Div IV/V anyway.

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47_A_puller

12-22-2007 20:14:15




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to jd b puller, 12-22-2007 19:21:05  
Thats what the stock classes are for..if you are pulling in a modified class you shouldnt have people pulling a stock tractor in the modifieds i say run what ya brung



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outsider37

12-23-2007 16:24:54




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to 47_A_puller, 12-22-2007 20:14:15  
47A, show me a "stock tractor" that spins out and I'll show you a liar. Most Div II type tractors are div III/Div IV with uncut tires. I'm all for the Div 4&5 not having a speed limit. But Speed limits and RPMs are what evens the odds in the entry classes.

Lenny, I thought you pulled the speed limit classes, looked at the USAP pull for Thanksgiving and there you were with a 560 and an F30 in the Super Pro Stock Classes (8MPH). Isn't that pretty similar to Div 4 NATPA?

Like it or not, the 3/3.5/4 MPH classes are what pays the bills. Without the volume of those tractors, there wouldn't be the Div 4/5 classes. You act like you want to get rid of them. Where does the newbie start at? With a $120,000 Pro Stock Tractor? I guess we aren't ALL made of money.

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47_A_puller

12-26-2007 18:45:58




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to outsider37, 12-23-2007 16:24:54  
Ive pulled a "stock" 51 A it spun out...if you dont have good tires anything will spin out



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Lenny Kirby

12-23-2007 16:45:29




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to outsider37, 12-23-2007 16:24:54  
Never said I didn't just said I didn't like to.. The 560 was not me it was a misprint I have an F-30.. There is a few differences in Div. IV and Super Pro Stock.. Doesn't matter thats not what I was meaning.. I don't pull Div. IV I don't pull NATPA.. I did once they got mad at me because I came in there with my other tractor in Div. IV running under ITPA rules with less than 10% over RPM's and 15.5-38's and got in the top 5 accused me of cheating and being over weight.. went back to the scales and proved them wrong!!! They turned around and walked away.. No "good job" "we're sorry" nothing.. I don't know if i'll go back.. we'll see. Not every place is NATPA there are more places to pull they may have rules similar to Div. IV but its NOT div. IV.. You are right about the Div. II, Farmstock whatever you want to call them.. Thats a reason I don't like the speed limit.. They let the bigger tractor slow down to the speed limit but at the end they just give it more throttle and there they go beating up on the tractors that SHOULD be in that division.. Don't call me a liar... Or say I don't know what i'm talking about.. Just go back to the USAP results and see how many guys pulled the same tractor in the 4,6,and 8 mph classes.. The speed limit is just the easiest to patrol not necessarily the most "fair" limit to set.. BTW in the 5000lbs 8mph class I was going just under 8 mph in 4th gear with its ears pinned back.. If I knew that the tractor was going to run like it did I would have been in 1st overdrive and buzzing the horn the whole way..

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Hot Rod M

12-22-2007 20:39:19




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to 47_A_puller, 12-22-2007 20:14:15  
Run whatcha brung, and hope you brung enough.

stock classes shouldnt need a speed limit either, if everyones running a stock motor. stick to your side of the fence and vice-versa and there isnt a need for a speed limit. I dont realy think its that difficult to tell apart a big inch motor from a farmall M that just got unhooked from a little genius plow...



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Lenny Kirby

12-22-2007 20:12:51




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to jd b puller, 12-22-2007 19:21:05  
Nope I don't run Div. IV or V.. I don't pull NATPA... NATPA is not the only gig in town.. In ITPA where I do pull with one tractor there is no speed limit.. Everyone builds to the rules as much as they want. Some get beat some don't and some stay home.. Its been around longer than NATPA, USAP or any of the others so it would seem that it is somewhat sucessful. If I want to pull in the winter I go to places that have a speed limit.. doesn't mean I have to agree with it.. A lot of division jumping going on in the speed limit divisions to. A lot of tractors I can see have no business in the slower classes but shift down and pull them anyways.. To each their own I guess..

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Lamont

12-23-2007 07:03:34




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to Lenny Kirby, 12-22-2007 20:12:51  
That's probably why ITPA has gone about as far as it will ever go. NATPA and USAP have both far outgrown ITPA. Wonder why? It fits more levels of competition, sort of like boxing. Get the picture. It's not about what a few people want. It's about the greatest good for the greatest number.



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Lenny Kirby

12-23-2007 10:05:05




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to Lamont, 12-23-2007 07:03:34  
LOL... NO thats not why.. Why is because USAP and NATPA are just what they are UNITED STATES, NATIONAL, and ITPA is what it is.. ILLINOIS... I'm not against NATPA or USAP they serve their purpose.. I just stated that ITPA has been around longer.. I pull USAP in the winter and its a fine organization. I don't expect people to drive hundreds of miles to run for points in the ITPA it pays better but not that much better..

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jd b puller

12-22-2007 10:53:26




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
"Back in the day", where we pulled at, (Wooster, OH) the sled had a red/yellow/green light on it. As long as it was Green, you were under the speed limit. If it became yellow, that was your warning (now that I think about it, I don't know if that meant you were getting close to going over or if you already were), and red was DQ.

I'm kind of in agreement with most of the other guys. Blow the horn all you want until you hit that commitment cone, go over after that and you are out.

Nice to have that cone as far down the track as possible. Get to run a little faster a little longer that way.

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Lamont

12-22-2007 10:12:27




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
Get rid of the ridiculous rule. Tractor pulling is not just about the tractor. It's about driving the tractor as well, so test the skill of the driver. Set the "speed cones" at 1/2 track, and let them blow the horn all they want before that point. Any horn beeps after that should result in a DQ no matter the length of the beep. This gets rid of guessing how long of a beep is allowed. It also gives the driver plenty of time to adjust his speed, but it still tests his skills past the cones.

This sounds like a rule that has the word "reasonable" in it. You always run into the problem of who is defining the word "reasonable."

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AC

12-22-2007 09:22:39




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
Thanks for the input..Let me state that We have some classes (3 and 4mph) that allow 3 beeps, the 3rd, being a DQ. I like a one beep class, but I am dealing with what I've got. Keep the input coming..THANKS, AC



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yes

12-22-2007 08:52:05




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
yes, no beeps after the hornis the only fair way, some people just drag the horn out forever and abuse the "x" beep rule--NO BEEP AFTER THE CONE IS BEST



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MikeinOhio

12-22-2007 08:29:48




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
I am a strictly spectator that loves to watch antiques. I hate to go to a pull that is not fair. Rules are rules make them and stick to them no matter what! Level the playing field. You are very right there is nothing worse than a 20 foot beep only counting once. I say make it beep and if the driver doesn"t make an attempt to back out of the throttle then do something. The other thing I hate as a spectator is when the sled operator drops the pan. If the sled cant stop the tractors without doing it then why not just tug pull because thats all it is.

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Two Tone

12-22-2007 08:07:12




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 Re: How long should the horn blow? in reply to AC, 12-22-2007 07:51:09  
My personal opinion is: If the horn even beeps after you cross the designated marker it should be a DQ. If you beep the horn and think it was a sled error, protest and ask for a repull. If you continue to blow the horn you have no recourse!
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