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Anyone know how to figure compression psi?????

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JD dozer mike

12-29-2006 13:59:19




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Knowing the Compression ratio, 16.1 : 1 and the bore and stroke, how would you figure the psi so as to take a compression check?




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Jerry/MT

01-03-2007 10:05:25




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 Re: Anyone know how to figure compression psi????? in reply to JD dozer mike, 12-29-2006 13:59:19  
You need to know that the term "compression ratio is really a "volume ratio". It's the volume of the cylinder + combustio chamber at BDC divided by the volume of the cylinder + combustion chamber at TDC.

I can give you the equation for the "ideal" pressure however it will give you a calculated value that is way too high. One reason it doesn't work exactly is because the equation is based on a constant mass of air being compressed when in fact, the exhaust valve timing is such that it doesn't close til after BDC so the mass isn't constant. Typically the actual pressure is about 60-70% of the ideal. The ideal equation is as follows: p2 = p1 X (compression ratio)^1.4. (1,4 is not the "exact value, but for what we are doing it's OK)
So if you are sea level and the pressure is 14.7 psia and your compression ratio is 16, then p2=14.7 x (16)^1.4 = 713 psia. If we take 60% of that, p2act = 428psia. Since your gauge doesn't read absolute pressure, it reads gauge pressure, we subtract the ambiet pressure of 14.7 psia. That gives 413 psi. If we use 70 %, p2act = 484 psi.

Hope this helps you.

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John T

12-31-2006 07:07:45




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 Re: Anyone know how to figure compression psi????? in reply to JD dozer mike, 12-29-2006 13:59:19  
Fun post for an old engineering type even though Thermo was my WORST subject wayyyyy back when. As I posted before Heat lost = Heat gained and the gas equation PV = nrT is about all I recall lol but that can sureeeee e explain a lot concerning the pressure and volume n temperarure relationship that comes into play

Yall take care now

John T



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MarkB_MI

12-30-2006 06:01:12




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 Re: Anyone know how to figure compression psi????? in reply to JD dozer mike, 12-29-2006 13:59:19  
The theoretical maximum pressure in the combustion chamber will be atmospheric pressure times the compression ratio. Sea level atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi, so the maximum will be 14.7 x 16 = 235.2 psi absolute. But your compression gauge reads gauge pressure, not absolute, so you need to subtract out the atmospheric pressure. So the final result is 235.2 - 14.7 = 220.5 psig.

Atmospheric pressure drops by about 1 psi for every 2300 feet in elevation above sea level. So if you live much above sea level, you need to calculate the local atmospheric pressure and use that number instead of 14.7.

Of course no engine ever reads the maximum, but this will give you an idea of whether yours is in the ballpark.

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KEB

12-30-2006 16:32:35




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 Re: Anyone know how to figure compression psi????? in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-30-2006 06:01:12  
Mark, not quite. Don't forget that the energy used to compress the gas results in a temperature increase, which also increases pressure. According to my 50's vintage Motor's Manual, there is not a direct relationship between compression ratio and pressure. They do give some approximations, which I'll look up when the snow melts enough to get to the shop. There's also leakage around the rings, plus the speed at which you turn the engine affects compression because a faster moving piston leaves less time for pressure to lead down around the rings.

Keith

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MarkB_MI

12-31-2006 05:17:04




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 Re: Anyone know how to figure compression psi????? in reply to KEB, 12-30-2006 16:32:35  
Keith, you're right. I'm forgetting my thermodynamics. And with a diesel, the temperature rise is going to be very significant.



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J Schwiebert

12-30-2006 15:32:34




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 Re: Anyone know how to figure compression psi????? in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-30-2006 06:01:12  
If you have a diesel and you only have 220 pound, It will not start. 350 is about the minimum with good cranking speed. J.



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old

12-29-2006 16:41:45




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 Re: Anyone know how to figure compression psi????? in reply to JD dozer mike, 12-29-2006 13:59:19  
Sounds like your working with a diesel engine and if so you need a gauge that will read up to around 700-1000 psi. Can't help with the math



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