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Farmall M Piston Rod ???

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DerekZ

04-08-2007 08:50:01




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I have a 48 Farmall M that is making a clanging noise from the left side of the engine (left side while sitting behind the steering wheel) every revolution. It sounds like it is coming from an area near the plate on the side and from one of the cylinders towards the rear of the tractor. I spoke with a guy who told me that I had probably spun a rod and that I should be able to get at it by dropping the pan. IF this is the case, can anyone tell me what I am looking for (will it be obvious) and what tools will be required to do the job. My tractor is at our land that is about 1 1/2 hour drive from my home and I would like to bring what I need. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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KEB

04-08-2007 19:38:30




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 Re: Farmall M Piston Rod ??? in reply to DerekZ, 04-08-2007 08:50:01  
Derek,

Can you describe the "clanging" noise a little better. From your description, it doesn't really sound like a rod knocking. Did the guy who diagnosed it as a rod bearing actually listen to it, or did he guess from your description.

A bad connecting rod bearing will knock, i.e., sound like someone is hitting the engine with a hammer, and the knock will get worse under load. If its "clanging" like a bell, I'm not sure what that might be. One possible way to tell is to open the throttle just enough to keep the engine from dying and pulling the spark plug wires off one at a time. A rod knock will be significantly quieter when the associated cylinder is not firing.

A bad rod bearing will also likely result in low oil pressure since a lot more oil than normal will be passing through the loose bearing, however, the most likely cause of a bad rod bearing is low oil pressure or loss of oil.

Agree that in general repairing a rod knock requires pulling the crankshaft out of the engine, and having it reground for undersized bearings, not something you can do with the tractor sitting in the middle of a field. IF you're lucky, and IF its just starting to get loose, you MIGHT get by for a while with just replacing the bearing insert.

If there's any roughness or anything more than surface scratches on the journal, just replacing the bearing won't hold up at all. Regardless, unless the journal is in good shape, not scratched, and not out of round by more than the allowable spec, you're going to have to have the crank re-ground. If you do attempt to replace a single bearing, you'll also need to measure the journal with a micrometer & see if it's been ground before so that you can order the right size bearing. You'll also need a good torque wrench to properly tighten the rod caps, plus all the normal mechanics tools.

If I were in your position, particularly considering that you obviously have very little experience, I think I'd hire someone to come out to wherever the tractor is and do a real diagnosis before tearing into the engine. As pointed out below, you can do much more serious damage by running it with a bad bearing, including breaking a rod & throwing the end of it through the side of the engine, or seizing the engine from lack of lubrication to other bearings.

Good luck,

Keith

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DerekZ

04-11-2007 13:59:34




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 Re: Farmall M Piston Rod ??? in reply to KEB, 04-08-2007 19:38:30  
Thanks Keith. As you said, I have no experience tearing down an engine, but I am not opposed to it as long as I have a place to work on it and some advice or help from people like you. I enjoy the learning process, no matter how painful it ends up being. IT sounds like it would be best to haul it home and find out what's going on.

It does sound more like a knock on the side of the engine than a clanging bell. The oil pressure is still reading quite high, but have not tested for each cylinder. I fear that I might have sent something down cylinder when I sprayed some fogging oil down the spark plug holes last fall. I remember it having a faint knock(more of a clicking noise) last year, but nothing like when I fired it up this spring.

Once again, thank you for your time.

Derek

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noncompos

04-08-2007 10:36:10




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 Re: Farmall M Piston Rod ??? in reply to DerekZ, 04-08-2007 08:50:01  
Derek: with all due respect, and the knowledge that not everyone can tear down an engine in the middle of a field repair it on the spot (I sure can't!), Bob is right: if that's a loose rod, it'll almost certainly be a major job, and not just the bad rod, but why it went bad (all bearings badly worn, need replacement? all journals need regrinding?? oil system plugged to that one rod?? etc. etc.
If you're unfamiliar enough with engines to not know what kind of repair/complications a loose rod can mean, you shouldn't try to tackle this yourself, without someone experienced to look over your shoulder every step of the away; that's not meant to sound demeaning: no one knows how to do everything, and the things we can do we learned from others who came before.

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Bob

04-08-2007 10:00:07




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 Re: Farmall M Piston Rod ??? in reply to DerekZ, 04-08-2007 08:50:01  
If the noise IS a connecting rod bearing; making a repair that will "last" will require tearing the engine down and replacing or reconditioning the connecting rod and having the crankshaft reground.



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DerekZ

04-08-2007 10:27:47




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 Re: Farmall M Piston Rod ??? in reply to Bob, 04-08-2007 10:00:07  
Right now I will be working on it in the field. I hope to have a garage up by the fall. Is there a fix that might get me through the spring/summer? I only have about 5 acres to mow and a couple to plow and plant. Thanks for your input.



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Bob

04-08-2007 10:50:13




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 Re: Farmall M Piston Rod ??? in reply to DerekZ, 04-08-2007 10:27:47  
I like cheap temporary fixes as well as anyone; however; crank bearing failures don't respond well to cheap fixes and you risk worse damage to the engine from a rod "ventilating" the block not to mention the debris from the failed bearing recirculating through all the wear surfaces in the engine.



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Yugrotcart

04-08-2007 09:01:52




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 Re: Farmall M Piston Rod ??? in reply to DerekZ, 04-08-2007 08:50:01  
Pull the pan, grab a hold of the rods and try to wiggle them. If one is bad, it will wiggle. Any movement will indicate a place to start.

Paul



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Greasey Hand

04-09-2007 12:29:51




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 Re: Farmall M Piston Rod ??? in reply to Yugrotcart, 04-08-2007 09:01:52  
I have never seen a rod bearing that went out that dint score the bearing surface of the crank, It dont work to just put a new bearing in there, It"s a waste of $$ It will take the new one out in no time.
If the bearing spun in the rod & its chued up the hed has to come off & that rod end has to be rebuilt.(honed out) so it round--to a nats a$$,
not just good enouph.
These things run on .002 clearance, .0005 can make a big differance.
If a rod lets go you wont have to use any wrenches to look to see whats wrong, just get off the tractor, the hole in the block or pan will be all you want to see. different tractor time.

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