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Hand lapping valves?

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Steve

05-14-2002 20:01:08




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Hey,

I am re-building an old Hercules OOC motor from a 1937 Cletrac. I'm sure the valves are similar to any old flat head motor. An old Harley rider who happend by looked the machine over and said I should be able use the old valves and hand lap them in after cleaning.(This was also mentioned by a new friend.)I've never done a valve job and Im arfaid Im a little clueless. I've seen the tool...(THINK I get it?)... and understand the concept of using lapping compound to "grind in" the valves. (Hope the valves aernt too pitted after removal and cleaning.) Any pointers,tricks, or a walk thru would be greatly appreciated.

Two pistons sat out of the motor for nearly 10 years and the tractor sat for nearly 40 years before that. The pistons have cleaned up very well except for some baked on oil/carbon inside the pistons and ring grooves. (I think this stuff is an immature diamond). I've tried soaking in parts cleaner (even hot) and penetrant oils and nothing seems to soften it up. I did manage to scrape and scrub the grooves clean and chip away most of the rock hard "stuff" baked onto the inside of the piston...But Im hoping theres a better way. I've considered a weak muratic acid but Im afraid of harming the brass insert or pitting the cylender...are my fears well founded? Any other suggestions?

Highest Regards,

Steve

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Jerry B

05-16-2002 09:22:22




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 Re: Hand lapping valves? in reply to Steve, 05-14-2002 20:01:08  
Doc is correct in using a machine shop to help you out. Get them to grind the valves and then you can lap them to the seats with lapping compound. Once the valve is lapped to a particular seat, is has to be installed in that seat and no other.

If the seats are in bad condtion you will need them to grind the seats as well. Then lapping will not be needed.

Try soaking the pistons in hot water. Believe me, it will disolve. It might take a day, but it WILL disolve the carbon.

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RobertTX

05-15-2002 06:21:33




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 Re: Hand lapping valves? in reply to Steve, 05-14-2002 20:01:08  
I know what you are saying about the immature diamond crud. I have been getting it out of pistons with one of the tools that looks like a dentist's pick, using the hooked end. I follow that with an old ring as was suggested. Sometimes takes an hour per piston on bad ones. I would not use acid on something with mixed materials that is difficult to replace.



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Doc

05-14-2002 23:02:23




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 Re: Hand lapping valves? in reply to Steve, 05-14-2002 20:01:08  
Lapping valves in will work if the face of the valve and the seat are in REAL good shape. I would probably bring the valves to a machnie shop and have them checked. A valve lathe can also be used to check for straightness of the stem.

I use a break a piston ring and use the sharp end to clean ring grooves. Takes some elbow grease, but works well. The old ring is also the right width to clean the groove. Doc.

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