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Hydraulic cylinder bad?

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Tom

08-24-2002 14:02:15




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I think I have a bad hydraulic cylinder. Here is what I did.
I started with the bucket flat on the ground (hydr cylinder ram in the cylinder completely).
I pulled the hydraulic lines that run from the cylinder to the control valve. There are quick disconnect fittlings that seal when taken apart.
I started the tractor and raised the arms. At this point the cylinder has no connection to pressure or relief. The bucket dumped. (the ram slowly but fully extended)

I assume that the hydraulic fluid should have (since it was sealed on both ends) held the bucket in place. True?

Assuming I have a bad cylinder anything I need to know before I replace it? Specifications other than the physical dimensions matter?

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chris

09-01-2002 20:28:47




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 Re: hydraulic cylinder bad? in reply to Tom , 08-24-2002 14:02:15  
Another way to tell if the ram seals are bad is to tie your lever so that there is oil flowing and feel the cylinder, slowly slide your hand back and forth, the passing oil will get hot. This works good if there are multiple cylinders plumbed together, saves time from capping off individual cylinders. chris



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Tom

09-03-2002 08:05:18




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 Re: Re: hydraulic cylinder bad? in reply to chris, 09-01-2002 20:28:47  
Thanks for the hint. I tore the cylinder apart. It had a bad seal. I could have gotten it repaired, good as new, for only $100. Instead I spent $60 at Fleet Farm and bought a brand new replacement. The only problem I have now is that my tractor is so beat up and 'used' that this new cylinder stands out like a bandaide on a bald head!
I'll get over it..... ..



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Tom

08-26-2002 05:39:36




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 Re: hydraulic cylinder bad? in reply to Tom , 08-24-2002 14:02:15  
I pulled the cylinder apart. As Rod indicated I found the seal on the end of the ram is shot. I looked in the local Prescott WI phone book and found "Hydraulic Cylinder Repair Service"! I'm willing to bet I'll be back in business with a minimal amount of pain and suffering in no time. Not to mention a few dollars saved.
Rod, thank you for the advise.
One last question. When I put this back together do I have to bleed the system -or- will that happen through use? There are no convenient places to bleed out the air that will be in the lines or cylinder.

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Rod (NH)

08-26-2002 14:49:52




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 Re: Re: hydraulic cylinder bad? in reply to Tom, 08-26-2002 05:39:36  
Tom,

Glad you found the problem. You should be able to get replacement seals for it OK. If they are the V-ring packing style you may want to try using a piston ring compressor to facilitate installing the piston back into the cylinder.

You should try to get as much air out as possible after installing. I was once told that the air will work out eventually...but my own experience does not support that. I replaced the seals on two bucket cylinders a couple of years ago and still have noticeable air in the system. One day I am going to start cracking the swivel joints at the cylinders to try to get more of the air out. I suspect that will be somewhat messy and is why I have been avoiding doing it.

Rod

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Tom

08-27-2002 05:12:02




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 Re: Re: Re: hydraulic cylinder bad? in reply to Rod (NH), 08-26-2002 14:49:52  
Roger that. I will have to modify my original installation to give myself bleed points. Thanks again for the advise.

Lead. It's a worth endeavor. Again, thank you.



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Rod (NH)

08-24-2002 17:48:03




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 Re: hydraulic cylinder bad? in reply to Tom , 08-24-2002 14:02:15  
Hi Tom,

It sounds to me like the piston seals are shot. That would allow oil to leak past the piston from the rod end side to the other side, thereby permitting the cylinder to extend from the weight of the bucket.

I would think that you could replace the piston seals. Should be a lot cheaper than buying a whole new cylinder. Piston seals on double acting cylinders are usually just a pair of v-ring packing sets facing in opposite directions. This type of seal should be readily available at any source of hydraulic equipment supplies.

Rod

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