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Welding a cracked tractor frame

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Bama Binder

06-25-2003 15:41:03




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I have an International 184 with a 3 inch hairline crack in the frame. I need to get it welded but don't know what welding method (brazing, MIG, stick, etc.) is best. I think I could do the brazing on my own using a BernZomatic MAPP Torch and a brass brazing rod but any other method I will most likely hire done.

Next question is should I decide to get a stick welder, how hard is it to learn how to turn out good welds? Just like everything, if I had a machine and new how to use it I'm sure I would end up with all kinds of reasons to use it.

Thanks for any help.

BB

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Dan in Ore

07-10-2003 08:05:41




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 Re: Welding a cracked tractor frame in reply to Bama Binder, 06-25-2003 15:41:03  
I have dads old buzz box. The only thing that I might add is to look for an AC/DC welder. When you learn to use the DC side of the welder it opens up a whole new area including cast iron. Just my #0.02 worth.

Dan



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buck

06-26-2003 18:33:52




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 Re: Welding a cracked tractor frame in reply to Bama Binder, 06-25-2003 15:41:03  

Go ahead a get that welder (Lincoln 225 or equilivant if I may suggest.) along with a few pounds of rods (6013 is a good starter) and a fairly good hood. Put this together with some scrap steel and off you go. No real big mistery here and most new units come with a little guide book and the library or book store will have others.The local school shop class is a good idea to. All kinds of projects and repairs just waiting for a welder and I think you will feel good about taking on that frame repair real soon.

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Bama Binder

06-26-2003 20:57:46




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 Re: Re: Welding a cracked tractor frame in reply to buck, 06-26-2003 18:33:52  
I will probably get the cheap 225 AC only buzz box from lincoln and learn to weld. For this one I left it up to the professionals. Thanks for your help!



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JMS/MN

06-25-2003 22:13:01




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 Re: Welding a cracked tractor frame in reply to Bama Binder, 06-25-2003 15:41:03  
If you have a broken tractor frame, you don't want to braze it- brazing is not as strong as a steel frame, and obviously, the steel frame was not strong enough to put up with whatever stress broke it. Without previous welding experience, I would take the frame off and take it to a good welding shop to fix it. If you want to learn how to weld, that is a great idea, but not on a major component like a tractor frame. Maybe your local high school shop has a welding class you could take (or should start one), or a welding supplier might do the same.

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off the land

06-28-2003 17:53:37




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 Re: Re: Welding a cracked tractor frame in reply to JMS/MN, 06-25-2003 22:13:01  
I'm in complete agreement, with your advice. We
had two tractor frames with cracks over the years.
First was welded by good welder, maybe good, but
traded that tractor. Second, was a 'Keeper', had
a pro reinforce it far stronger. These are not
items to practice on. Dragging stuck tractors out
of the mud with a D4 can cause damage/stress that
is difficult to avoid. Frames are for the pros.

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Jerry

07-27-2003 15:31:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding a cracked tractor frame in reply to off the land, 06-28-2003 17:53:37  
The crack should be ground out about 1/8 to 3/16 deep in order to get good penatration. Use nickel rod on cast iron. The weld area should be preheated or you might just get more cracks.



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