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Jeff Taylor

07-09-2003 07:37:30




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I recently pulled the magneto unit to check points, etc. I've got good spark now...but still not starting. I suspect timing. Can someone explain how best to get timing right? I turned magneto to #1 firing position, with #1 cylinder at top...and then installed magneto unit. Any way to see if I have the timing right?




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CNKS

07-09-2003 18:47:04




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 Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to Jeff Taylor, 07-09-2003 07:37:30  
There is a mark on the flywheel that lines up with the raised mark on the cast piece behind the oil pan. The flywheel mark is hard to find. Use a light and turn the flywheel with a screwdriver in the teeth until the marks line up -- this is the true TDC. Crank the engine until you are at TDC on # 1. Turn the coupling on the mag until the rotor points to number one and install the mag so that the top of mag is against the block. Tighten the mag enough so that it won't move. then crank the engine to the next TDC. Pull the top of the mag out until it trips. To double check crank the engine until you are approaching TDC of # 1 again, when the mag trips look at the marks, they should be exactly lined up or the flywheel mark can be just slightly past the mark on the cast piece -- never before.

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Vern

07-09-2003 21:40:11




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 Re: Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to CNKS, 07-09-2003 18:47:04  
Be sure that when you have #1 piston at TDC it is on the compression stroke & not the exhaust stroke.



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Jeff Taylor

07-10-2003 04:45:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to Vern, 07-09-2003 21:40:11  
Thank you!...this may indeed be my problem...as I can see that I am TDC. How can I tell if I am at TDC compression or exhaust?



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Jeff Taylor

07-10-2003 04:36:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to Vern, 07-09-2003 21:40:11  
Thank you!...I think this may indeed be my problem...as I can see that I am at TDC. How can I tell if I am at TDC compression or exhaust?



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CNKS

07-10-2003 18:30:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to Jeff Taylor, 07-10-2003 04:36:52  
Cover the plug hole with your finger while cranking, you will feel pressure, or hear/feel air escaping around your finger on the compression stroke, much more so than on the exhaust stroke, since both valves are closed.



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Jeff Taylor

07-11-2003 04:27:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to CNKS, 07-10-2003 18:30:16  
Thanks....I've now determined that I am timed right on the compression stroke...but she still won't run.

Any other ideas?....much appreciated!



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CNKS

07-11-2003 19:17:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to Jeff Taylor, 07-11-2003 04:27:58  
Sorry for the delay, but I only get to this board once a day, usually at night, hope you have it started by now. Other things -- Are you sure you have good points and is the gap set at .013 on the high side of the cam?. You need good plugs with gap at about 0.023-0.025. Make sure that fuel is getting to the carburetor. Did the tractor run before you worked on it, and how long before? If it ran recently, you may still have a timing problem. If it has been a while, it could be a carb problem, even old gas. Disconnect the fuel line at the carb and make sure you have good gas flow. If so, there is a screen inside the nut on the inside of the carb that the fuel line is attached to. Unscrew it and make sure it isn't plugged. If you are positive you have a good spark at the plugs, and the condenser and points are good, and it is timed properly, it is time to rebuild or at least clean the carb. If you are still stumped, ask your question on the Farmall board, I may hve forgotten something.

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Jeff Taylor

07-11-2003 20:23:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to CNKS, 07-11-2003 19:17:39  
Thanks....yes, the tractor ran before. Then I did some work on the radiator and when I tried to start it again...no luck. Took the magneto off and had it checked...it was weak, so I decided to convert to battery ingnition, and bought a converted unit. I have good spark on each cylinder, 90 lbs compression on each cylinder, wet plugs when I try to start it...and seemingly the correct timing...(rotor contact points to #1)....I'm stumped.

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CNKS

07-12-2003 14:32:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Timing? in reply to Jeff Taylor, 07-11-2003 20:23:49  
I'm starting to grasp at straws -- You have a distributer now? With new points and condensor? if you are satisfied with the spark, I guess it's ok. I think you are still out of time. Forgive the question, but I assume you know #1 is next to the radiator? Again set #1 to TDC. I am going to quote from the manual: 1."Place the battery ignition unit in one hand, and, with the fingers of the other hand, turn the drive lugs in a clockwise direction until the rotor arm is approximately in the no. 1 firing position. Then continue to turn until a slight resistance is felt". (I assume the resistance is the points opening) 2. "Pull out the drive shaft to disengage the gears, and then turn the driveshaft clockwise until the driveshaft lugs are about 35 degrees past horizontal or about in the same position as the drive shaft slots" (on the tractor, what the lugs fit into) "Engage the gears and press the drive shaft in with the palm of your hand". 3. Mount the unit and install bolts and washers, etc. 4. "Connect the switch cable to the negative terminal on the ignition coil" (THE SWITCH ON A MAG IS NOT THE SAME AS THE ONE ON A DISTRIBUTER, MAG HAS A GROUNDING SWITCH WITH ONE TERMINAL, DIST Switch HAS 2 TERMINALS) But if you are getting a spark, you must be ok. "Loosen the dist. mounting bolts. Set the engine on # 1 TDC. The secondary cable should be assembled properly in the coil terminal. Pull out the knob of the ignition switch and note if the ammeter shows discharge. If it does the points are closed and retarding of the dist is not necessary. If the ammeter does not show discharge retard the dist by turning the body in the same direction as cam rotation" (same as installing a mag with the top against the block) "Pull out the secondary cable and hold the free end of the cable about 1/8-1/16 inch from the dist primary terminal. Advance the dist until a spark occurs." Final check: "Place the secondary cable under the dist cap spring and place the terminal with 1/8-1/16 from the primary terminal. Crank the engine until the timing mark approaches the timing pointer, continue until you get a spark -- the timing marks should line up or be slightly past, never before TDC. Timing a distributer is no different than timing a mag. You turn until the mag trips, at which time a spark occurs. Distributer doesn't trip, you look for the spark instead. I don't have any other suggestions -- you just have to "play" with it until you get it right.

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Jeff Taylor

07-15-2003 09:28:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Timi in reply to CNKS, 07-12-2003 14:32:42  
Hi...

Well thanks for all your patience and help....I finally took everything apart again and put it all together from scratch....and she started up!

I'm pretty sure my timing was off..

Thanks again for the help.

jT



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