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advice on replacing tube in old cracked tire.

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eric

09-04-2003 15:34:56




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i have a flat in my old slightly cracked tire. i want to save them and keep them on the tractor. any ideas on how to replace the tube in the most gentle way. the tractor sat for about 6 years before i got it, i am sure the rims have some rust inside and the bead has not been broken in many years. is this a job i leave for the professional ? i have not done a tractor tire in years and any help would be nice. as always thanks for your time. eric

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markct

09-04-2003 18:49:14




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 Re: advice on replacing tube in old cracked tire. in reply to eric, 09-04-2003 15:34:56  
if the tire is so bad that you need to be "gentle" on it then i dont think its safe to use. i had a tire that was mounted up on a 6 lug rim, it came with a parts tractor i got, well i needed a wheel for my haybine so i went outback and got it, it still had some air in it so i bolted it onto my haybine, it was low on air so i started adding air to it and then i heard a little crackling noise, sorta like rice crispies, i thought to myself i wonder if that could be the cording breaking,i stopped adding air and just as i stood up there was a huge kaboom that was so loud it took about 10 seconds for my hearing to come back, my parents both came running to the back porch wondering what had happened, said it had rattled the bottles ontop of the woodstove! let me just say i was glad i had stopped adding air and had stood up when i did, and ever since then i been alot more cautious about using old cracked tires.

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ATW/WA

09-04-2003 15:52:05




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 Re: advice on replacing tube in old cracked tire. in reply to eric, 09-04-2003 15:34:56  
Eric, Leave it to the professional tire busters.

Does the tire have any Calcium Chloride solution in it? If it did, any leaks will eat your rims.

After the tire store removes the tire, inspect the rim, any sign of rust, have it sand blasted. Usually cracks are cosmetic. For a small acreage farm they are suitable for use and a new tube may give that tire another 20-30 years.

If the tractor is not on jackstands it should be, you do not want it to sit on a flat tire.

HTH ATW/WA

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eric

09-04-2003 18:04:06




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 Re: Re: advice on replacing tube in old cracked ti in reply to ATW/WA , 09-04-2003 15:52:05  
thanks atw, no fluid and it is on a jack. if the tire man comes out wont he just bust the bead, take out old tube , put in new and reset bead? thats how i have seen them do other on site repairs they leave tire on rim and tractor. is this best? i just want to be as knowlegeable as i can on this subject, as i want to save the tire. thanks for your time eric



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ATW/WA

09-05-2003 01:25:16




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 Re: Re: Re: advice on replacing tube in old cracke in reply to eric, 09-04-2003 18:04:06  
Eric,

A production farmer can not afford to let his tractor sit in the field, when he has crops, weather and the banker breathing down his neck. He'll pay the service call, if necessary have someone come out at midnight to get the tractor rolling.

You can save the cost of a service call by taking the tire and rim in to the store. Explain ahead of time; 1. You want to save the tire, if at all possible.... The dealer should be able to judge the tire and it's suitability for the expected use you describe to him.

2. You would like to sand blast and paint the rim if necessary.... This will extend the life of the tube. He may be set up to perform this service, or have someone close by who does this for him at a reasonably price, due to the volumn he generates.(Call around ahead of time to locate sand blasting/paint service and cost just in case)

3. Let him know your time schedule, expect at least a week if sandblasting and paint is necessary.

Now let me tell you about the last set of tires I took into my tire dealer. The tires belong to my neighbor, he would jack the tractor every time he parked it and set it on jack stands because all of the tires leaked. He had CaCl (Calcium Chloride solution)in the rear dualies, when I first saw it, I explained how fast CaCl would eat rims. He could not afford tubes at that time. Eighteen months later he noticed solution leaking through the rims after he aired up, and he had to take the compressor into the field with him because the tires leaked so fast.

He explained to the dealer he wanted to save the tires and rims. They took an awl and started poking holes through the rims to see how extensive the rust was. It was bad, the dealer explained he could not guarentee the rims would not collaspe while dismounting the tire. He also showed why two of the rims were beyond salvage. The front tires did not have CaCl, he was able to sand blast and paint them. We watched as they dismounted the rear tires. The rims were indeed so rusted they collasped. They also left a lot of blister rust adheared to the tire bead, hard to clean up, power grinder time. The tires were weather checked so the dealer put them on a spreader machine to check them for cracks and cordage. They were useable. Four new tubes and rims for the rear, new tires and tubes for the front, front rims blasted and painted.

It could have been just sand blast, paint and new tubes all around except the neighbor let the front sit on flats, not enough jackstands to go all the way around, and could not afford to repair the rears in a timely manner.

Now I have to tell you, pay attention to what Market says about blowing up tires while inflating them.

The dealer about died, when my neighbor explained he was inflating the rear tires to ~45-50psi because they leaked so fast. Instead of the cord of the tire ripping, the dealer was concerned about the rims blowing out first. Do not overinflate any tire.

Eric, I hope this helps, any questions post back, let us know how it goes.

ATW/WA

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eric

09-05-2003 05:22:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: advice on replacing tube in old cr in reply to ATW/WA , 09-05-2003 01:25:16  
thanks for the long , helpful post. i dont believe my tires are too bad off, i have seen a lot worse. i really hope that some high quality tire paint will shape them up. i dont have any cracks as wide as 1/8 an inch. but the tires did sit flat for who knows how long before i got the tractor. they have held air for a year now until i used a torch to remove a few bolts (STUPID!) they are pennsylanias ( which i have never seen before) with lots of bar left. thanks eric

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