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Dozerboss

06-11-2004 21:46:50




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Got an old Parker hose crimper--Parkrimp model 80c-80 with series 43 dies to make hoses for a dozer. I have SAE 100R2 AT hose and fittings from this website>Link
They>Link say it will work with Parker crimpers, but i have also heard that parker discontinued or changed these fittings. I'm wondering if the 43 series dies will work. Has anyone experience and advice with using hose and fittings other than the name Brand hose and fittings? The dozer has some parker and some no name hose on it. The local auto parts has a weatherhead machine but i notice the hose is not weatherhead. Advice appreciated, especially anyone who has knowledge of The parker crimpers. They have so many disclaimers in their guides and website i feel intimidated and wonder if there was some sort of problem with their hose products. Thanks.

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George G

06-13-2004 07:19:14




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 Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to Dozerboss, 06-11-2004 21:46:50  
Looked in the books I have here at the house. The Model 80C-80 is a Parkrimp 1. Anyway, Went to the web site you showed and checked the hose OD's, Compaired these with Parker hose OD's that use series 43 hose ends. All but two have the same OD's as Parkers 301 series hose. To crimp these right, you need the Black die ring p/n 80C-R02. Crimp diameters -4 .685/.705, -6 .865/.885, -8 .985/1.005, -12 1.285/1.305, -16 1.630/1.650. If you need more, let me know.

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Dozerboss

06-13-2004 22:37:58




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 Re: Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to George G, 06-13-2004 07:19:14  
THANKS GEORGE! I was going to measure the old hose crimps for reference, but the hose diameter would have still been a guess. I have the black ring so it looks like i'm set to try. Their is a weaterhead conversion ring too, but no dies, just the parker dies so i guess i would have to buy dies for it.

If you need fittings, these look real good even heavy yellow (zinc dichromemite?) plating.



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George G

06-14-2004 17:15:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to Dozerboss, 06-13-2004 22:37:58  
Maybe the Weatherhead conversion ring is to be used with the Parker dies. I know their are two die rings used with the Parker 43 series hose ends. They have a black die ring and a silver die ring. Which one you use depends on the OD of the hose to be crimped. So maybe the Weatherhead die ring is a third die ring to be used with the 43 series dies.



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Dozerboss

06-14-2004 23:42:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to George G, 06-14-2004 17:15:16  
I have all three rings. Like you said the black ring is for the 43 series and SAE 100R2 AT hose according to the chart. I found the weatherhead conversion on a website that left me with the impression i would need to buy the weatherhead dies. I figured they kept them when they auctioned the crimper. Maybe you could look it over and give me your opinion? It looks like there are 2 dowel pin spacers and a spacer bracket with the ring. Its the T-400-PH Parker 80 c conversion kit, looks like you would also need the T-400-PHK kit to get the dies they refer to as collets to fit the weatherhead fittings. twohttp://hydraulics.eaton.com/products/pdfs/W-HYOV-MC002-E_EQ22_Conversion_Tooling.pdf

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George G

06-15-2004 16:03:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to Dozerboss, 06-14-2004 23:42:27  
That's kinda what it looks like. Keep your eye on ebay, maybe you'll find the rest of the parts to do Weatherhead fittings with. Never been to that part of the Eaton site. Lots of good info.



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Dozerboss

06-16-2004 18:12:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to George G, 06-15-2004 16:03:28  
Thanks for the double check on those dies. I have gone from very little knowledge of hose crimpers to being able to know how to select dies, rings, fittings and begin making crimps and checking them for final size. All in a short time thanks to your help, as well as a guy named Broken wrench and Wayne. TC George.



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Wayne

06-11-2004 23:11:15




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 Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to Dozerboss, 06-11-2004 21:46:50  
You might try getting the phone number off Parkers site and actually calling them. Any time in the past when I've needed technical information from a manufacturer I have always gotten better results by acutally calling and talking to a tech rep than tryin to sort out things from what they show online. I do know our local hose shop that uses Aeroquip has a guide that tells them what fittings are used with what dies, the max/min diameter of a finished crimp, etc etc. There is ALOT of liability involved with this kind of thing ergo all the disclaimers. I've got a customer that had a #16 line made up recently at a local NAPA. They failed to crimp the fitting properly and the line blew out of the crimp and laid in through a window in the cab of the machine. It was on a small excavator and fortunately the operator had the cab door open and was able to bail out. The main thing was that he hadn't run the machine but maybe 10 minutes before the new line blew so the oil hadn't had a chance to get hot otherwise it would have scolded him all over. Usually when we think of a line blowing we don't necessarily think about a person being close, but it's situations like this one that are what make the liability factor so high.
Good luck finding your info.

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Dozerboss

06-12-2004 15:06:09




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 Re: Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to Wayne, 06-11-2004 23:11:15  
Thanks, Parker recommends you buy their fittings and their hose only,---for liability. Maybe i can get the the max/min diameter of a finished crimp, thats a good idea. Their fittings are $9 each, you can buy discount fittings rated for 5000 psi for $2 each. Of course as you noted there is risk with hydraulics. For what it cost to have 6 hoses made, i got a crimper and dies. Thought i would ask around, i'm sure their are alot of construction comps who do there hose in house. Trouble with it is Parker won't sell any cheaper to me than full list or same price as having them made-Monopoly. I should have held out for aeroquip or weatherhead, then if i didn't feel comfortable with the crimps, i could get them done locally. The machine has the control valve in the tool box, clamps holding the hoses to the inner frame under the cab floor boards so its a lower risk than the poor guy in the excavator. I think i'll keep my eye's open for another machine that's more common aeroquip or weatherhead.

The moon program syndrome--going where you have never gone before with no map. Gotta Hate Corporate America and what has happened to our country since those days of optimism and exploration. Thanks, again-Boss.

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Wayne

06-12-2004 21:05:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Help with hose crimper in reply to Dozerboss, 06-12-2004 15:06:09  
I know what you mean. It's like pulling teeth anymore to even get information from the manufacturers....I sometimes think it goes way beyond liability issues, from what I often see they just don't know anything about their own products...and if there should happen to be one guy there that does know what's going on he's always on vacation when you need the info.....Good luck..... ..



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