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JD 520 fires but won't run

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Fred

06-28-2004 07:01:03




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Have a 1957 520 that I am trying to get started. Have replaced the points, plugs, condenser, rotor, distributor cap, coil & wire to distributor, spark plugs & wires, wiring harness, switch, fuel filter & fuel line. Took off the gas tank & had it cleaned and lined. Gas comes into sediment bowl looking crystal clear. I'm getting spark at the points, fuel down to the carburetor, and compression when I pull spark plugs. Engine will 'pop' when I hit the starter, but won't 'catch' and run. Finally, after spending most of yesterday trying to get it started, the distributor started smoking and the points are black. I'll have to replace the points and condenser. Can anyone help me on what else can be the problem?

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John Garner

06-30-2004 12:05:58




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 Re: JD 520 fires but won't run in reply to Fred, 06-28-2004 07:01:03  
Fred --

Six-volt ignition systems don't have ballast resitors, so we can rule out a bad ballast resitor.

You say you have a spark at the points, and fuel to the carburetor . . . do you have spark at the plugs and fuel in the cylinders? I suggest you pull one of the plugs and take a look . . . is it damp with fuel? Next, reconnect the secondary ignition wire to the plug, set the plug down on a grounded surface, and crank the engine while watching the plug gap . . . do you get a spark for every engine revolution?

If you have both fuel to the cylinder and spark at the plug the engine should want to run (assuming that there is a reasonable amount of compression) if the plugs fire near the top of the compression stroke.

One last thing: The primary wiring of a six-volt Kettering ignition system is pretty straight-forward. A wire runs from the not-grounded battery terminal to the ignition switch. A second wire runs from the ignition switch to one coil primary terminal. A third wire runs from the other coil primary terminal to the distributor, where it connects to the not-grounded point and condenser.

When the ignition switch is in the ON position, electrical potential (voltage) is supposed to flow from the battery to the switch, through the switch to the coil, through the coil to the not-grounded point. When the points close, current flows from the not-grounded point through the grounded point to ground . . . and stops flowing when the points open again.

John

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Ron

06-29-2004 03:56:55




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 Re: JD 520 fires but won't run in reply to Fred, 06-28-2004 07:01:03  
There are two types of coils, one is labeled "for use with an external resistor" the other says "for use without an external resistor". The wrong coil will burn the points.

After your replace and gap the points, do this. Have someone try to start the engine while you spray carb/choke cleaner directly into the carb throat. If it starts and runs even briefly then you have a fuel delivery problem. If not, you have an ignition problem.

Without knowing the history of the engine, my best guess is that the static ignition timing is off. If you don't have the correct spec in front of you, any tractor engine will start and run with the timing set at 0deg BTDC (straight up).

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Fred

06-29-2004 07:10:38




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 Re: Re: JD 520 fires but won't run in reply to Ron, 06-29-2004 03:56:55  
Ron: Thanks for the advice/help. I did have the carb professionally rebuilt/cleaned, but I will try the carb cleaner, too. I got the AM791T Delco 6 volt coil from John Deere that is in the 520 parts catalog. It is supposed to work with the bypass starting. I talked to one of the members of the Two-Cylinder Club Tech Council since I posted this message. He suggested that I am not getting current from the ignition to the coil - the reason why it will pop, but not catch and run. He further suggested I check the wires from the switch to the resistor. He believes it to be either I have the wires hooked up wrong or the resistor is bad. (The points and condenser are fried from getting a continuous stream of 12 volt while trying to get it started.) I will also do a timing check, too. Am I on the right track?

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Ron

06-29-2004 08:51:28




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 520 fires but won't run in reply to Fred, 06-29-2004 07:10:38  
Yes, but the "spray carb cleaner in the carb throat while someone else attempts to start the engine" is a dignostic tool. You are essentially bypassing the entire fuel system, including the carburetor, which is why if it starts, you know that you can forget about ignition problems and concentrate on fuel delivery problems.

Yes, a bad ignition resistor will fry the points. You can check with your DMM. You should see 9-12V at the coil (ignition side, not distributor side) with the key in the "run" position. In the "start" position, you should see 12V. You can then pull a plug wire, stick a screwdriver blade in the plug wire, and with a gloved hand, hold the other edge of the blade near the top of the plug. If you have no spark, you have an ignition problem.

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Fred

06-29-2004 13:47:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 520 fires but won't run in reply to Ron, 06-29-2004 08:51:28  
Ron: O.K., I'll continue on this route. One question though, when I replaced the switch, the tractor was not wired the same way it is in the diagram on page 102 of PC 527. Everything seemed to reasonably close line up except the 'brown' wire from the wiring harness. The manual says it is the other end of the wire that goes on the positive (ground?)terminal of the coil. If that is the case, where does it go on the switch? Thanks again for your help/advice.

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Ron

06-30-2004 04:41:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 520 fires but won't run in reply to Fred, 06-29-2004 13:47:59  
I don't have a copy of your wiring diagram so I'll give a general answer. The "I" terminal on the ignition switch gets wired to the non-ground side of the coil. The ground side of the coil will have a short wire connected to the points in the distribuor.



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Fred

07-04-2004 15:00:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 520 fires but won't run in reply to Ron, 06-30-2004 04:41:06  
Ron: Thanks for the help! I got the 520 started this weekend. I had a fellow with a multi-meter check the circuits from the ignition to the coil & distributor. It turned out to be the ignition resistor (the 520 has bypass starting - it starts on 12-volts and then runs on 6-volts). It now runs better than it has it probably 20+ years. Thanks once again.



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Ron

07-05-2004 08:33:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 520 fires but won't in reply to Fred, 07-04-2004 15:00:12  
You are very welcome. Nice to get some feedback.



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