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Ford 2000 diesel won't crank

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Bob Rodgers

08-17-2004 12:58:28




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Just bought a '66 3cyl.diesel Ford 2000. Previous owner had ground down the battery trying to start it to load on the trailer. He replaced the battery, but the tractor still won't start. We pull started it, I brought it home, charged the new battery, cleaned all connections, no dice. It still sounds like a low battery when I hit the key. Jumping off my truck only helps a little, still too slow to fire.The starter was recently rebuilt. I have actually seen it start off the key, so this is a recent problem. I'm a pistolsmith, not a mechanic, so please keep your replies pretty basic. Thanks, Bob

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txblu update on mine

08-23-2004 06:03:03




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 Re: Ford 2000 diesel won't crank in reply to Bob Rodgers, 08-17-2004 12:58:28  
Well I "shined em and tightened em" sooner than I expected. Was mowing Saturday and the thing died flat as a pancake. Towed it to the shop. Had changed the fuel filter recently and had been having problems with surging and dieing. Bled the system last week and seemed to fix that.

So I started at the pump inlet....no fuel. Backed up to the tank.....still no fuel. Unscrewed the outlet plug (with the shutoff in it) and plugged the hole temporarily. Investigation of the outlet indicated 2 things:

1 no filter screen

2. hole plum full of tiny rust particles

Cleaned it all out and bled to the pump. B4 bleeding the pump and injectors, decided to go ahead and clean up the terminals and tighten the starter bolts.

Terminals were very cruddy so it was obvious where my loss of 3 volts was.

Cleaned her up and with a lots of coaxing, I finally got the air outta da pump and she reluctantly started hitting. Finally, the chorus kicked in and I had music.

Awwwww w Life is good.

Back to the mowing. (I mowed the rest of yesterday uneventfully....yeah!)

Will stop by the NH dealer on the way home and get/order a filter screen.

Mark

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CRUSADER

08-19-2004 08:52:36




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 Re: Ford 2000 diesel won't crank in reply to Bob Rodgers, 08-17-2004 12:58:28  
Bob,
Don't rule out the starter as having a problem with it. I just spent numerous hours troubleshooting a problem with a 92 Corsica. The starter was 8 months old, and I had checked, and had it checked, and it was working good. Only to go back and check again two days later when I had the time to work on the car and it was bad indeed and I swapped it out. Not saying this is the problem in your case, just that it's a possibility.
Jim

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Bob Rodgers

08-20-2004 05:10:52




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 Re: Ford 2000 diesel won't crank in reply to CRUSADER, 08-19-2004 08:52:36  
Many thanks to all of you for taking the time to help. I've pulled the starter and delivered it to the hospital. Initial reports are that it is fried, most likely due to excessive cranking with a low battery by the previous owner on the day I went to pick it up. The mechanic says LOW voltage is a death sentence to starters. I can report that the starter is a bear to remove, the rear mounting bolt was designed by a sadist. A follow-up question, please. If I have to remove the fuel filters to replace the starter, will I have to bleed the fuel system? I have the owner's manual and it makes it look like a pretty straight foreward procedure, but some folks have advised me to avoid bleeding like the Plague.
Bob

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Big Jim

08-18-2004 00:53:49




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 Re: Ford 2000 diesel won't crank in reply to Bob Rodgers, 08-17-2004 12:58:28  
Check out your battery cables. Make sure the ground cable is clean and securly attached to the block. If it is attached to the frame, there should be a ground srtap from the frame to the engine. Bad, broken, or missing at any point can cause slow cranking. After many, many hours of troubleshooting, I found a bad solder connection inside a lug on my vintage motorhome and now it starts without starting fluid.

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txblu

08-18-2004 09:42:28




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 Re: Ford 2000 diesel won't crank in reply to Big Jim, 08-18-2004 00:53:49  
In addition to what Fred said, don't forget starter case to tractor chassis and bolt attaching also. If you have lead terminals on the batt, make sure they (and attaching cables) are shiny.

I ran this test the other day since my '73 2000D 3 cyl is slow to start (just purchased). Measured voltages:

Across batt term static. 12.73 (That's fully charged..great)
Across batt term cranking 12.55 (says that batt is in good shape as internal resistance (R) is low)
Across batt connecting wire term at batt term cranking 12.00 (R across the lead term..lil high)
Across starter input terminal (the copper stud/nut on on the starter from the solenoid output) to starter case cranking 9.7. (Ouch)

I lost 3 volts (~25%) of my power just getting to the starter. I think that is excessive. So I'm going back and separate the parts from the batt term to the starter term (including possible crudded contacts within the solenoid) and check for where the loss is and then from the starter case to tractor chassis.

What size cables do you have? I like 2/0 but some use 1/0. Don't want anything less.

This will give you some Ideas.

Mark

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Bob Rodgers

08-18-2004 06:33:11




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 Re: Ford 2000 diesel won't crank in reply to Big Jim, 08-18-2004 00:53:49  
Many thanks for your reply, Big Jim. Cables seem good, ground strap is attached. Ran a resistance check on both cables---both are good. A friend stated that it sounded like starter drag to him. Comments, anyone?



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Big Jim

08-19-2004 20:27:57




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 Re: Ford 2000 diesel won't crank in reply to Bob Rodgers, 08-18-2004 06:33:11  
I'd say the next step is to try a known good starter or pull the existing one and disassemble carefully looking for worn brushes, and signs of the armature rubbing, or bad bushings.
One other check is to do a starter draw test. I have a little meter that slips along side the starter cable and gives you a rough amp reading. If it is high, you likely have drag. If it's fairly normal but cranking slow, you have some kind of 12 volt problem somewhere in the circuit between the battery and the starter brushes. I have seen where a brush holder was bent slightly and prevented one brush from making good contact as it wore down a bit.

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