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Electrolysis bath not working

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Markrusier

06-04-2005 10:23:29




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I have built a large electrolysis bath for my very beloved and rusting truck.

The tank holds app.2000 gallons.

I am using 5 sheets of 1/16" thick, 12"W x 12"L to act as my annode (?) or positive pole.

All set up with my 60+ lbs of baking soda mixed, my battery charger is spiking which I initially thought was due to my "poles" touching somewhere in the bath.

I thought I rubber insulated the jack-stands enough(which are sitting on the metal plates)the truck is resting on.

MY QUESTION IS: Is it possible the bath is creating more "draw" than my 10 amp charger can manage?

An electrician I am not, but have had sucess restoring smaller metal objects.

I thought the principles would apply on a larger scale.

If my poles are not physically touching, and my charger is too small, what size "transformer" will I need?

Help before my wife takes an axe to my present wild idea!

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scott#2

06-18-2005 09:01:01




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to Markrusier, 06-04-2005 10:23:29  
You want washing soda or pure lye (will remove the paint too). Ck out this site.

scott#2



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dr.sportster

06-12-2005 08:20:36




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to Markrusier, 06-04-2005 10:23:29  
In electroplating it takes 1amp per sq.inch of surface area.



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Hermit

06-05-2005 18:24:05




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to Markrusier, 06-04-2005 10:23:29  
You have to remember electrolysis works on electron flow vs surface area vs conductivity. Here's a website showing large scale electrolysis using a welder for increased amps.

http://antique-engines.com/trailer-electrolysis.htm



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Weirsdale George

06-04-2005 11:10:30




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to Markrusier, 06-04-2005 10:23:29  
I think your use of Baking Soda is what is messing you up -- should be washing soda (which I believe is sodium carbonate). I always have a hard time finding this stuff and end up using Cascade dishwasher detergent.



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Kendall

06-23-2005 06:49:50




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to Weirsdale George, 06-04-2005 11:10:30  
I find it in the laundry soap dept at most grocery stores.



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Markruiser

06-04-2005 13:50:49




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to Weirsdale George, 06-04-2005 11:10:30  
Sorry I was not clear. I am using Sodium Carbonite. I too went to a chemical company(on line) but found it a lot cheaper at the grocery. Thanks for comments and help.



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ccwken

06-05-2005 22:04:19




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to Markruiser, 06-04-2005 13:50:49  
Hermit is right. For the surface area you're using, the amps will be much higher than a 10A charger can provide--Probably up near 200A! It will take longer but if you dilute your electrolytic, you lower the current requirement.



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RP

06-07-2005 21:54:00




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to ccwken, 06-05-2005 22:04:19  
Or decrease the area of your anode (pull some sheets out of the bath)



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Markruiser

06-08-2005 13:43:41




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to RP, 06-07-2005 21:54:00  
Thanks guys for the help. Found a guy who will lend me a 300A power supply.

One last thing: any advice on responsible disposal of the electrolytic? I will have about 16K lbs of waste water when I'm done!



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ccwken

06-08-2005 21:58:36




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 Re: Electrolysis bath not working in reply to Markruiser, 06-08-2005 13:43:41  
LOL... 16,000lbs. ?

If you're just using Sodium Carbonate and distilled or rain water, your residue will contain iron oxide and a few trace metals. You'll probably have a slight acid level but most of the Hydrogen will gas out unless you're using Chlorinated city water. Not a good idea anyway--Chlorine will cause your steel to flash rust and you'll be creating Hydrochloric Acid instead of Carbonic Acid.

If you live in the country, put it in your garden or water the field!

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