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City Boy with a

08-02-2005 17:44:12




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Help! I have a little mustang with an Onan replacement motor that I can't start. I have power to the (new) ignition coil but no spark at the plugs. Could it be the capacitor? What does the capacitor do?




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ddrisk

01-10-2006 19:05:37




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 Re: ignition problems in reply to City Boy with a Tractor, 08-02-2005 17:44:12  
Try using a resistor out of an old dodge pick up truck. I think the part # is gcr27 at advance auto. You can just ask for a 12v to 6v resistor. I hope you fixed your problem long before now, butjustin case.



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John T

08-03-2005 09:58:01




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 Re: ignition problems in reply to City Boy with a Tractor, 08-02-2005 17:44:12  
City Boy, the primary function of the condensor (capacitor) which is in paralell across the points to ground, is to extend the life of the ignition contact points. It absorbs some of the stored coil primary energy and reduces the spark intensity which normally arcs across the points when they break open. With it removed the coil can still fire, but the points will burn up quickly and the sparks not quite as strong. Its possibole for it to become bad/shorted in which case the coil wont fire, but it can still fire even with no condensor whatsoever.

TROUBLESHOOTING

Place a test lamp or voltmeter on the points terminal and turn on the ignition and have the plugs removed for easy cranking and slowlyyyyy turn the engine.

When the points are open, there should be battery voltage present. If NOT its either cuz the coils primary is open,,,,, ,,,or theres s short in the wiring from the coil to the distributor and/or the points (like the spring etc),,,,, ,,or the condensor or its wiring is shorted,,,,, ,,,,, or the points are not opening.

When the points are closed, there should be near zero volts. If not, the points are not closed down tight,,,,, ,or badly burned or pitted or carboned up,,,,, ,,,,or are miswired ir not getting a good ground.

If the coil is good anytime you have its high supply side hot and then make and break the connection to ground on its low (to distributor) terminal it will fire. The points are simply a mechanical switch to make (closed to conduct current) then break (open & coil fires) the current flowing through the coil. The paralell condensor saves the points by absorbing some of the heat and arc energy across the contacts when they open.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff retired electrical engineer in Indiana

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Weirsdale George

08-03-2005 08:02:01




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 Re: ignition problems in reply to City Boy with a Tractor, 08-02-2005 17:44:12  
Here's one good way to check the points and condensor -- Put a multimeter from ground to the movable arm of the points. With the ignition on, rotate the engine by hand -- when the points are open, you should read close to battery voltage; when closed, zero volts. (This can also be done with a 6V or 12V test light.)



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RustyFarmall

08-03-2005 04:48:39




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 Re: ignition problems in reply to City Boy with a Tractor, 08-02-2005 17:44:12  
The capacitor, more commonly called a condensor when used in this application, stores and builds up electricity to be released at the proper moment in order to fire the spark plugs. Yes, it could be bad. The condensor is normally replaced at the same time as the contact points. You might also look and make sure that the points are installed properly, wires not touching where they shouldn't etc. Also make sure you have the proper gap setting . Sometimes there will be a film of oil on the points and then you will not get any fire, drag a clean piece of paper in between the two surfaces to remove the film.

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old

08-02-2005 18:00:03




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 Re: ignition problems in reply to City Boy with a Tractor, 08-02-2005 17:44:12  
could be points and or condenser



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